Ariana Grande is opening up about nearly quitting music.

During an appearance on the Shut Up Evan podcast, posted Friday (Oct. 24), the 32-year-old pop star and actress spoke with host Evan Ross Katz about her plans to step away from music after taking on her role in Wicked.

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The “We Can’t Be Friends” singer revealed she had considered leaving music altogether after being cast as Glinda in the film adaptation of the hit Broadway musical. Her last album before the movie, 2020’s Positions, was initially intended to be her final release.

“I didn’t think I was gonna make an album ever again,” Grande told Katz. “When I left for London, that was kind of my secret, but I didn’t think I was going to.”

She added that playing Glinda in the Wicked films “totally rearranged everything about [her] relationship to creating,” inspiring her to record her 2024 album, Eternal Sunshine, which spent three weeks at No. 1 on the Billboard 200.

“I felt like just a genuine spark, like a reconnection and inspiration and something, I mean, maybe I missed it,” Grande said. “Maybe it’s as simple as I missed it. But I do feel like you have to miss things in order to learn to become better for them. I think I learned so much, and then also I genuinely wanted to do it. I just felt like I couldn’t not. It was an inspired moment and I had to write an album and I had to do it.”

Grande is now gearing up for a limited run of tour dates in 2026 to support the album. Launching June 6 in Oakland, California, she will perform in cities including Los Angeles, Atlanta, Chicago and Montreal, before wrapping up with five shows at London’s O2 Arena in August. Her last tour was in 2019, and she hasn’t embarked on a full-scale tour since the Sweetener World Tour concluded that December.

Elsewhere in the podcast, Grande discussed getting advice from Madonna and Beyoncé early in her career, “cringe” culture, and more. Watch her full conversation with Katz here.


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Bruce Springsteen is, of course, the musical focus of the newly released film Springsteen: Deliver Me From Nowhere, adapted by director and screenwriter Scott Cooper from Warren Zanes’ book, with Jeremy Allen White starring as The Boss. But astute viewers will see some other familiar, and perhaps surprising, rock ‘n’ roll faces in the production.

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Scenes depicting Springsteen joining a “local” band at the Stone Pony in Asbury Park, New Jersey, feature an all-star lineup assembled by the film’s music producer, Dave Cobb. The band is led by Jay Buchanan of Rival Sons and includes Greta Van Fleet’s Jake Kiszka on guitar, Sam F. Kiszka on bass, keyboardist Bobby Emmett from Jack White’s band, and Nashville drummer Aksel Coe.

Their gut-bucket renditions of Little Richard’s “Lucille” and John Lee Hooker’s “Boom Boom,” both performed with White and recorded at New York City’s Power Station, are featured on the soundtrack, set to release Dec. 5, along with a non-movie rendition of Screamin’ Jay Hawkins’ “I Put a Spell on You.”

It captures the Greta guys during a bit of down time for the band. Sam Kiszka has been producing, working with artists like Langhorne Slim and Hannah Wicklund, while Jake launched a new group, Mirador, with Chris Turpin of Ida Mae. Their self-titled debut came out in September, followed by a tour, with a European leg starting Nov. 3 in Amsterdam.

The random casting begs the question: what are these guys doing in a film about Bruce Springsteen? Luckily, Jake Kiszka was on hand to tell Billboard how it all came together.

Have you seen yourselves on the big screen yet?

I haven’t, man, but we want to get back to Michigan and take my grandma to the cinema that she took us to as kids to watch it. I can’t wait for that.

So how did it happen?

It’s interesting. It began through Dave Cobb; he produced the last Greta album (2023’s Starcatcher) and was helping me produce this current Mirador record. We were sitting around on the dock out by the water at his house in Savannah (Georgia) and he said, “I’ve just been working on this Deliver Me From Nowhere film about Nebraska and Springsteen,” and he said the director, Scott Cooper, was looking for a young band who could be the house band for the Stone Pony during this era of Springsteen. And Scott said, “I’m really looking for a young, sort of hop rock ‘n’ roll band like Greta Van Fleet.” And Dave’s like, “Well, I know someone… Why don’t we just ask those guys?” He as me and then he needed a bass player and guitar player, so Sam and I sort of stepped up to the plate. That’s how it began.

Not something you say “no” to.

Definitely. It was completely unexpected, but there’s been so many opportunities like this that come across through the grapevine. A lot of this stuff it’s like, “OK, that’s cool, but we’re touring” or doing a record, whatever we’re busy with at the time. This came through and it was like, you definitely can’t say no to this because Bruce Springsteen is such a big influence on us. This is definitely not something we had foreseen happening, but it was irresistible. It was a fascinating thing to do, the intersection between film and cinema meets music.

What was the sequence of events as you got into the project?

The first step was recording. We went to the Power Station in New York, where (E Street Band attempts at) Nebraska and a lot of the Springsteen stuff was recorded, and we did the whole thing there. Jeremy came in as well. It was really rough and tumble; we maybe got two or three passes on each song. The idea was we were gonna record (more) at the Stony Pony while we were filming, so we were under the impression of, “OK, let’s give this a go, git it our best, and ultimately have another go at it when we’re on the set and filming.”

Which wound up not being the case?

What happened is Bruce heard what we had recorded (in the studio) and he was so enamored with it and loved it so much that Scott Cooper decided we were gonna use those recordings from the Power Station in studio, which is quite cool.

What were your impressions of working with Jeremy on a musical level?

It was interesting for him because he’s an actor, so this was a totally different world. And he blended into it so well. I think he had reservations about stepping onto that (music) world, maybe some subtle level of intimidation. I know I was certainly intimidated when I walked onto the film set, and he was probably just swimming. But he did some live vocals, which is incredible; Jay is obviously just a remarkable rock ‘n’ roll singer, so Jeremy came in and stood next to jay, and it was impressive to see him step up to the plate fearlessly like that.

Did you give him any pointers during the process?

Being able to show Jeremy how to play harmonic was really interesting and cool. I was kind of asked by (Cobb) if I could teach Jeremy a bit of harmonica for the film, so I bought him a chromatic scale of harps to use. I’m not entirely proficient as most harmonica players, but I knew enough from my father playing blues harmonica, so I was able to show him some stuff.

What was filming at the Stone Pony like?

That was really incredible. What was really interesting was we had played the Stone Pony; Greta had done the outdoor summer venue (May 18, 2019), so it was interesting coming back and knowing the place and history. We’ve done late-night television and stuff like that, but this was a very different experience. Being there on this major motion picture set, this big production with Bruce Springsteen hanging around on set and Steven Spielberg coming by and Danny Clinch shooting (photographs), it was like an alternative universe. Ultimately it was quite overwhelming.

You got to hang with Springsteen?

He was just there on set. He was going to catering and stuff, hanging out with everybody, with the extras and us. It was a really casual experience. He was really humble and sort of exceeded expectations of meeting one of your heroes… just the most beautiful and incredible human being. There was a lot of time on the set I got to talk to him… about Nebraska and his career and early life. It was an unreal experience.

Were there any nuggets of wisdom or insight you took away from it?

I suppose so. We talked about Nebraska a lot. It’ s my favorite Bruce Springsteen record, so I was talking to him about recording demos… and how they tried to re-record (the songs) with the E Street Band and they couldn’t recapture the magic of the demos. That was really fascinating, that the record is just that demo. It’s just unbelievable. So certainly a takeaway for me was that they don’t all have to be polished records. You don’t need to get something perfect; sometimes it’s about the humility of it, the purity of it. That stuck with me.

Sam has a speaking line in the movie. Did you play rock, paper, scissors for that?

That was interesting. Scott was like, “Hey, we’re gonna shoot this scene, you’re leaving (the Stone Pony) with Bruce. You want to hang out, maybe play next week. Just shoot the shit. Make up the lines” — improvise, basically. We had no idea what we were we gonna say. It was me and Jay and Sam, and (Cooper) was like, “Action! We’re rolling,” and we were just flying by the seat of our pants. Whatever came out came out. I don’t know what made the film yet.

You’re going from the film to back on the road with Mirador in Europe. Are you happy with the way things are going for that band?

It’s been really incredible. I’ve been somewhat overwhelmed by the response — and so immediately as well. The shows are sold out. There’s that kind of intensity and fuel that has fanned the fire of Mirador in someways that’s really elevated the band and the performances. It’s happening with leaps and bounds rather than inching its way forward. So I’m quite happy with it — astounded, actually. We’ll probably record another record within the year, or next year. Definitely between Greta and Mirador, there’s a lot going on.

What’s next for Greta?

This next year is going to be exciting and filled to the brim with surprises. There’s something stirring. The curtain will fall and the black smoke will rise and… that’s all I can say right now.


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2Pac‘s classic song “Brenda’s Got a Baby” was inspired by a true story — and the story continues.

The rapper wrote the song addressing teen pregnancy in America’s ghettos while he was filming his star-turning role as Bishop in Juice after coming across a story in the news about a 12-year-old girl who threw her baby in a trash chute after being impregnated by her 21-year-old cousin. The track has since become one of the late entertainer’s most important records in his extensive catalog.

Enter bestselling author Jeff Pearlman.

During a recent appearance on The Rich Eisen Show to promote his new book Only God Can Judge Me: The Many Lives of Tupac Shakur, Pearlman dropped a bombshell after being asked if he came across anybody that didn’t want to talk to him when he was trying to put the book together. “I didn’t get Dr. Dre or Snoop Dogg, but they’re hard to get anyway,” he said. “I did find most people. The vast majority. Classmates, people who worked with him in music, even Death Row employees were pretty open about talking.”

He then revealed that he “had a breakthrough very early on.”

Pearlman found the man who heard the baby crying in the trash chute and interviewed him, but it wasn’t until he spoke with Leila Steinberg, who the author referred to as a former associate manager/confidant. According to him, Steinberg made a comment about whether the story about the baby was true and wondered what eventually happened to the baby, which then sent him on a side mission to see what he could find.

He then reached out to genealogist Michele Soulli to see if she would be able to locate the baby. A few days later, she gave him the number to a Las Vegas resident named Davonn Hodge. They two met up, and Hodge told Pearlman that he found his relatives with the help of Ancestry.com and had a reunion but his mother wasn’t there. Pearlman again employed Soulli to help him find the mother and a few days later, she got in contact with a woman that was living in Newark, NJ.

Now, this is where things get really weird.

The woman expressed shock and excitement and told Soulli that she had to go back home to New York City to reunite with her baby. When Soulli asked where she was at the moment, the woman said she was in Vegas for a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert.

She was reunited with her son Davonn later that night after 34 long years.

You can check out the full conversation below.

Buoyed by news that The Wizard of Oz surpassed 1 million tickets sold and $130 million in sales since its Aug. 28 debut, Sphere Entertainment Co. shares rose 14.5% to a new all-time high closing price of $67.24. The film has helped send Sphere Entertainment’s stock price into a new stratosphere. Shares of the Las Vegas venue’s parent company are up 58.4% year to date and have gained 56.4% since Sphere debuted its revamped version of the classic film. 

While some music stocks had big gains this week, the 19-company Billboard Global Music Index (BGMI) fell 1.4% to 2,845.60, marking its fifth consecutive losing week. Three music companies had stock gains over 10%, but they are relatively small compared to the index’s largest companies, Spotify and Live Nation, both of which lost ground this week. Foreign exchange rates also played a role in the BGMI’s poor performance despite numerous music stocks posting gains. In the last week, the euro fell about 0.3% against the U.S. dollar while the Korean won lost approximately 1.2%. 

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Spotify had the week’s biggest loss after falling 3.8% to $645.78, bringing its five-week decline to 12.1%. Numerous analysts expect the company to raise U.S. subscription prices by early 2026, which would provide further margin improvement and help deliver streaming royalty growth to rights holders. Investors appear not to be taking a possible price increase into account yet, though. The Stockholm-based streaming company will announce third-quarter earnings on Nov. 4. 

Live Nation shares slipped 1.5% to $152.86. Although the stock is up 18.0% in 2025, it has fallen 12.0% over the last six weeks. On Wednesday (Oct. 22), Deutsche Bank lowered its price target to $173 from $175. Then on Thursday (Oct. 23), Citi lowered its price target to $181 from $195. 

LiveOne rose 23.3% to $5.55. The music streaming company announced on Monday (Oct. 20) that it plans to launch a subsidiary in Africa, LiveOneAfrica, in partnership with Virtuosity Music Group. “Through this partnership, we’ll connect LiveOne’s technology and artist ecosystem with one of the most vibrant creative markets in the world,” CEO Robert Ellin said in a statement.

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Anghami rose 0.4% to $2.85. On Wednesday (Oct. 22), the company announced it will issue 2.38 million shares of common stock to satisfy the convertible debt held by OSN Streaming Limited. Anghami’s share price fell 5% following the news but recovered on Thursday and Friday.   

K-pop stocks were in the black this week. HYBE jumped 6.9%, JYP Entertainment rose 6.1% and SM Entertainment increased 1.5%. YG Entertainment rose just 0.6%. 

Inflation data announced Friday showed a modest increase to 3%, leading to a jump in stock prices as investors anticipated a pending interest rate cut by the U.S. Federal Reserve. The economy hasn’t fallen apart despite reports of growing auto reposessions and a never-fail sign of tightening budgets: a surge in sales of Hamburger Helper

In the U.S., the Nasdaq composite index rose 2.3% to 23,204.87 and the S&P 500 improved 1.9% to 6,791.69 — both record highs. The U.K.’s FTSE 100 gained 3.1% to 9,645.62. South Korea’s KOSPI composite index soared 5.1% to 3,941.59 and hit an all-time high on Friday. China’s Shanghai Composite Index rose 2.9% to 3,950.31.

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Our Billboard chart experts break down whether Olivia Dean’s “So Easy (To Fall In Love),” Kid Cudi’s “Maui Wowie” or Tame Impala’s “Dracula” make moves on the Billboard charts.

Jerah Milligan 

‘The Life of a Show Girl,’ “Golden” and “Ordinary” still may be dominating our top 10, but who’s in the mix on the hot 100 this week? Could the resurfacing of Kid Cudi’s classic bring this old song to the charts? Is Olivia Dean stealing people’s hearts and staying on repeat, or will Tame Impala’s new music be a  moment? We’re giving you the rundown on some of the contenders on This Week’s Hot 100 this “Maui Wowie” trend is taking over the internet. Will the song make its debut on the charts 17 years after it first was released? 

Treavor Anderson

Kid Cudi’s “Maui Wowie,” which debuts this week in the 70s, really blowing up on TikTok. This is a song from 2008 by the way. So it’s our first time actually seeing Kid Cudion the Hot 100 in a lead role since 2020 so welcome back to the chart, Cudi. But this trend is going crazy. This song is blowing up, so that’s something to watch out for as the streams keep going up, that song could really be a big hit for him. 

Jerah Milligan

It’s so easy to fall in love with Olivia Dean that we may see her climb,

Delisa Shannon

Based off of my streams alone, that one is going to have an uptick on the charts. Everyone is excited about Olivia Dean’s ‘The Art of Loving.’ She has this ability with the way that she arranges, her melodies, her vocals. Everyone is excited, myself included.

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Cardi B is using some discretion when it comes with her ongoing beef with fellow rapper BIA.

During a recent X Spaces, the Bronx rapper told fans listening in that she has no intentions of dissing BIA’s album sales as she was in the middle of a rant about bullies. “I don’t pick on bi—es,” she said. “I don’t wake up every single day like, ‘I’mma pick on this girl ‘cause I can. I just found out BIA’s numbers yesterday. I’m not going to pick on her ‘cause of that sh–. Then that’s overkill.”

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The two have been going back and forth since about 2024 when fans felt like the Massachusetts rapper subbed Cardi on Dreezy’s “Bi— Duh” Remix where she rapped, “I hear bi—es poppin’ sh– and that’s so funny to me/ How you say you runnin’ down but you can’t walk on the beat?” in a supposed reference to a comment Cardi made during an interview about having a hard time catching the pocket of Ice Spice’s “Munch” beat.

Most recently, BIA told Billboard in an interview that she decided to not to respond to Cardi’s “Pretty & Petty” diss on her debut album BIANCA because she didn’t want the project to be overshadowed. “If I was to ever address it again, I would never attach it to my album, because this is a beautiful body of work that I believe in,” she said. “I wouldn’t want to disservice this and overshadow it with noise or negativity.”

BIA’s debut album BIANCA dropped on Oct. 10 and failed to reach the Billboard 200 chart, earning 3,000 equivalent album units in the week of Oct. 10-16, according to Luminate.

Justin Bieber showed Odeal nothing but love and respect when the Nigerian-British star visited L.A. last week for his sold-out show at The Roxy.

Both artists were seen casually hanging out in the video from Odeal’s The Shows That Saved Me tour vlog series posted Friday (Oct. 24) on YouTube, where Odeal even played JB an unreleased song that the pop star riffed off of. “Y’all don’t understand how much inspiration you just brought in here. I really look up to you and admire you, bro,” Bieber told the “Soh-Soh” singer.

Bieber attended Odeal’s concert on Oct. 14, where he couldn’t stop reiterating the “chills” the performance gave him during the four-minute clip. “That was perfect. It couldn’t have gone better, bro,” the Swag superstar told him backstage at The Roxy. “Your swag is undeniably just the swaggiest, most swaggiest man alive, bro.”

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JB co-signed Odeal earlier this year when he played his “Blame U” hit from Odeal’s 2024 EP Lustropolis on numerous Instagram Stories and posts. “I’m super grateful he was tapping in. I was aware he was working on his album, and I’m glad that that song was with him during that time,” Odeal told Billboard in September during his African Rookie of the Year interview.

The Shows That Saved Me continues on Tuesday, Oct. 28 at the House of Blues in Chicago, Ill. and next Sunday, Nov. 2 at the Buckhead Theatre in Atlanta, Georgia.

Catch Bieber’s cameos in Odeal’s latest LA vlog below.

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It’s USA vs. Canada for the 2025 World Series. The Toronto Blue Jays will host the defending World Series champs, Los Angeles Dodgers for game 1 on Friday, Oct. 24. The big game is set to air live on Fox at 8:00 p.m. ET/5:00 p.m. PT. If you don’t have cable, we created a guide for fans to stream the game live online with services like DirecTV.

Will Shohei Ohtani continue his MLB dominance and bring home another Commissioner’s Trophy, or will the Blue Jays pull off a major upset? To make sure you don’t miss any of the baseball action, keep reading to learn everything you need to know about the World Series matchup, including how to watch online for free, breaking down the full schedule and securing last-minute tickets to the big game.

Also, don’t miss must-see performances from the Jonas Brothers and Pharrell Williams at both games 1 and 2 of the 2025 World Series. Keep reading for how to watch details and more.

2025 World Series, at a Glance:

  • Date: Friday, Oct. 24
  • Time: 8 p.m. ET
  • Location: Rogers Centre, Toronto
  • TV channels: Fox, Fox Deportes
  • Streaming: DirecTV

How to Watch & Stream the 2025 World Series Online

Because the World Series is airing on Fox, there are multiple ways to watch and stream the championship live and on-demand – and for free in most cases. If you don’t have access to cable, streaming is the best choice. Fans can stream the World Series on DirecTV, Sling TV, Fubo and Hulu + Live TV.

DirecTV

Join DirecTV with a five-day free trial to enjoy your favorite sports and other entertainment. The streaming service’s signature packages feature more than 90 channels: ABC, TNT, ESPN, NBA TV, ESPN2, FS1, SEC, MLB Network, TLC, CBS, USA, Bravo, E!, BET, MTV and more.

A subscription to DirecTV — which comes with NBC and ESPN for NBA games — gets you access to live TV, local and cable channels, starting at $49.99 for the first month of service ($89.99 per month afterwards). The service even offers a five-day free trial to watch for free, if you sign up now.

Fubo

FuboTV offers a seven-day free trial when you sign up for one of its plans. You’ll gain access to more than 200 live TV channels — including NBC — so you can watch the Sabrina Carpenter SNL episode for free. After your free trial is over you’ll be charged the subscription price based on the plan you choose or you can cancel at anytime.

Sling TV

Sling TV offers the Blue package, which comes with NBC. Blue is one of the most affordable options and comes with more than 40 channels and can be streamed on up to three device at a time. Please note: Pricing and channel availability varies from market-to-market.

Sling TV is another streaming option for sports fans on a budget. With Sling Orange + Blue package, you can stream ESPN, ESPN2, ABC, TNT and other channels for starting at $33 for the first month ($65.99 per month afterwards).

You’ll also get more than 45 other networks, including Disney Channel, ESPN2, NBC, Fox, TBS, Bravo, Discovery Channel, Fox News, MSNBC, National Geographic, USA Network, Fox Sports and more. Please note that channel availability and price depends on your local TV market. Learn more about Sling TV here.

Hulu + Live TV

For the most content offerings, you can sign up for Hulu + Live TV and get access to the Hulu library in addition to more then 95 live TV channels (including NBC). The streaming platform starts at $64.99 per month for the first three months of service ($82.99 per month afterwards).

And, for even more programming, Hulu + Live TV now comes bundled with Disney+ and ESPN Unlimited, which gives you everything within the Hulu library, in addition to exclusive content on ESPN for even more sports coverage.

Where to Buy Last-Minute Tickets to the 2025 World Series

There’s no shame in watching the World Series from home, but nothing compares to seeing the action in person. If you want root on the Dodgers or the Blue Jays at either stadium near you, fans can still shop last-minute World Series tickets on resell sites like StubHub, Vivid Seats and SeatGeek.

With Seat Geek, fans can also save a few bucks by using code BILLBOARD10, which will save you an additional $10 at checkout.

World Series 2025 Schedule

To make sure you don’t miss any of the action, here’s full schedule for 2025 Word Series below.

  • Game 1: Friday, Oct. 24, 8 p.m. ET
  • Game 2: Saturday, Oct. 25, 8 p.m. ET
  • Game 3: Monday, Oct. 27, 8 p.m. ET
  • Game 4: Tuesday, Oct. 28, 8 p.m. ET
  • Game 5 (if necessary): Wednesday, Oct. 29, 8 p.m. ET
  • Game 6 (if necessary): Friday, Oct. 31, 8 p.m. ET
  • Game 7 (if necessary): Saturday, Nov. 1, 8 p.m. ET

Hailey Bieber is setting the record straight regarding a rumor she’s heard about herself and Justin Bieber — and she says there’s “no world” in which it would be true.

While guesting on the In Your Dreams With Owen Thiele podcast posted Friday (Oct. 24), the Rhode founder didn’t have to think too far back when asked to name the craziest piece of gossip she’s heard about her marriage. “There’s so many,” she began, racking her brain.

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“There was one I thought was funny, because it was so stupid and so ridiculous,” she continued. “It was like, ‘Hailey is doing management for her husband,’ like, I’m taking over to be his manager.”

But would the skincare mogul ever consider taking charge of her husband’s career? “There is no world in which that would ever …,” Hailey said emphatically. “Like, that’s my husband. What do we think is going on here? I thought that one was so funny, because it was so ridiculous and far-fetched.”

Hailey went on to say that she also read false headlines claiming she was pregnant about a “hundred” times before she actually did get pregnant, with the model and Justin welcoming son Jack Blues in August 2024. Elsewhere on the podcast, she opened up about whether she and the singer want to have more kids in the future.

“I know I want more than one, but I’m not in a rush,” she told Thiele. “It’s so fun. I love being a mom.”

As for another false claim Hailey’s heard about herself — that she’s secretly transgender — the businesswoman said she doesn’t take it personally. “When people are trying to be mean, they’re like, ‘She looks trans,’” Hailey said. “And I’m like, ‘Why do you think that’s a diss?’ Some of the most beautiful women in the world — and men in the world — are trans, so I just don’t take that offensively at all.”

Watch Hailey’s full interview with Thiele below.


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As Outkast’s “Ms. Jackson” celebrates its 25th anniversary on Friday (Oct. 24), Erykah Badu revealed her doubts about being the muse behind the Billboard Hot 100 No. 1 hit.

Badu joined Popcast for an interview earlier this week, where she discussed being the subject of hip-hop songs. While the neo-soul icon doesn’t think “Ms. Jackson” is about herself, her mother, Kolleen Gipson, certainly is taking credit.

“I don’t think ‘Ms. Jackson’ was actually about me. I don’t think so, but people say it,” she said. “[My mom] thinks it was about her. She got the bumper sticker and the airbrush t-shirt. I think it says, ‘Sorry, Ms. Jackson.’”

For years, there’s been fan speculation and theories that “Ms. Jackson” was an apology letter from André 3000 to Erykah Badu’s family following their split. The former couple dated from 1995 to 1999 and welcomed a son in 1997, Seven Sirius Benjamin.

“Ms Jackson” arrived about a year after the Three Stacks-Badu break-up, fueling rumors connecting the track’s content to their relationship. It was the second single on Outkast’s Stankonia album, which was released a week later on Halloween in 2000.

“Ms. Jackson” topped the Billboard Hot 100 and won a Grammy Award for best rap performance by a duo or a group. The anthem has stood the test of time over the course of a quarter-century and feels embedded in the DNA of pop music with an earworm of a chorus.

Watch the interview below. Talk about “Ms. Jackson” takes place just shy of the 30-minute mark.