Forty years ago this weekend, on Saturday Sept. 14, 1985, a new sitcom, The Golden Girls, debuted on NBC. The show was an instant smash, thanks to sharp writing and one of the best casts in TV history. The show was also boosted by a pitch-perfect theme song, Andrew Gold’s “Thank You for Being a Friend.”

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Gold didn’t write the song for the show. He had released it as a single in 1978, when it did moderately well, reaching No. 25 on the Billboard Hot 100. (While you don’t want to knock a No. 25 hit, that was well below Gold’s 1977 single, “Lonely Boy,” which had reached No. 7, so “Friend” was a bit of a disappointment for Gold and his record label, Asylum, at the time.)

The Golden Girls is one of the few major TV shows to utilize a pre-existing song as its theme song. Others include Happy Days (which used Bill Haley & the Comets’ “(We’re Gonna) Rock Around the Clock)” in its first two seasons, before swapping it out for an original title song); the Atlanta-set Designing Women (which used “Georgia on My Mind”) and The Wonder Years (which used Joe Cocker’s version of “With a Little Help From My Friends”).

The Golden Girls could have commissioned a newly-written theme song, but why would they when Gold’s song fit the show so perfectly?

In an essay on the song that ran just before Thanksgiving 2018, Billboard’s Andrew Unterberger observed: “ ‘Friend’ was an ideal match for the classic sitcom, about four female companions of advanced years sharing a home: Its charming and quirky mushiness led naturally into a show that, while unconventional and occasionally tart in its plotting and humor, never lost its core sweetness.”

Unterberger also contrasted Gold’s airtight “Lonely Boy” with his notably looser recording of “Thank You for Being a Friend.” “Unlike the immaculately crafted ‘Lonely Boy,’ ‘Friend’ kind of ambles, loose and free-associative.” (Peter Asher produced “Lonely Boy,” which featured Linda Ronstadt on background vocals. Gold produced “Friend” with Brock Walsh.)

If you only know “Thank You for Being a Friend” from the version heard on The Golden Girls, you may not fully understand what Unterberger meant. The Golden Girls team smartly zeroed in on the parts of Gold’s song that would work best for the show. Obviously, they couldn’t use the whole thing. Gold’s single ran 3:57. The opening credits sequence, which featured a vocal by Cynthia Fee, ran just 41 seconds.

Andrew Gold poses for a portrait circa 1978 in Los Angeles.

Andrew Gold poses for a portrait circa 1978 in Los Angeles.

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I interviewed Gold for Billboard in March 1986, when The Golden Girls was nearing the end of its first season. The main thrust of the interview was an album Gold had recorded (under the group name Wax) with Graham Gouldman, who was formerly in 10cc. (The piece ran in the issue dated April 12, 1986, under the headline “Wax Works Well as a Team”) But as an OG Golden Girls fan, I couldn’t resist asking about “Thank You for Being a Friend.”

“They called me up and said they wanted to use it, and I said fine,” Gold recalled. “It’s great. If I have a stroke or something, that will pay my hospital bill.”

That was a joke, but the way Gold downplayed it also seemed to suggest a slight embarrassment at doing something so commercial and mainstream as selling your song to a network TV sitcom. But if you’re going to do that, you can do worse than selling it to one of the most successful and acclaimed sitcoms in TV history.

The Golden Girls ranked among the top 10 shows of the season in the Nielsen ratings in each of its first six seasons. It won the Emmy for outstanding comedy series in each of its first two seasons. By the end of Season 3, all four principal cast members had won Emmys.

“Thank You for Being a Friend” isn’t the only No. 25 hit from 1978 that is famous today. Village People’s “Macho Man” is also well-known, thanks in part to its improbable use at Donald Trump rallies. “Theme from Close Encounters” is also very familiar, though more for John Williams’ original version from the film than Meco’s discofied cover.

But most No. 25 hits from 1978 are known today only to pop obsessives of a certain age. Among them: Rita Coolidge’s “You,” Wings’ “I’ve Had Enough” and Barbra Streisand’s “Songbird.”

Gold was a second-generation music star. His father was composer Ernest Gold, who won an Oscar for best original score for Exodus. His mother was singer Marni Nixon, who dubbed the singing voice for such non-singing actresses as Deborah Kerr in The King and I, Natalie Wood in West Side Story and Audrey Hepburn in My Fair Lady.

Andrew Gold died of heart failure in 2011 at age 59. But his mid-level Hot 100 hit song will charm audiences for as long as people like to laugh and spend time in the company of friends. Now, let’s slice up that cheesecake.

Fifteen years ago, as she prepared to hit the 2010 VMAs red carpet on Sept. 12, 2010, Lady Gaga had a backup plan for her meat dress. If the tailor-made look didn’t fit, if the meat spoiled or it dripped too much blood, the rising superstar had something else ready on the rack. But Franc Fernandez, the designer of the dress that is today on display at the Park MGM in Las Vegas, had worked three long days to create it, draping butcher cuts on a mannequin torso. “Obviously, I didn’t want that backup plan to happen,” he tells Billboard.

The meat dress, one of three Gaga wore during MTV’s 2010 Video Music Awards, did not launch her career: “Poker Face” had topped the Billboard Hot 100 the previous year, and she won eight awards that night for top 5 hits “Bad Romance” and “Telephone.” But the fashion statement, which Gaga said was a protest against the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy at the time, helped turn her into a cultural icon and established Fernandez’s career in the process. He has since worked with Rihanna, Beyoncé and others, and is represented by William Morris.

Back then, though he was part of the singer’s creative team known as Haus of Gaga, Fernandez was struggling to build a reputation and make enough money to support a creative career. After Gaga wore the dress, his life changed. “Like most people who are in a creative field and have immigrant parents, there’s this constant ‘you should get a real job’ sentiment, which you internalize and think, ‘Yeah, they’re probably right, because this hasn’t been fruitful,’” he says. “But the scale of the publicity that got just gave me: ‘OK, you’re running towards something, and you’ve got some of it, so keep going.’”

To mark the meat dressiversary — Sept. 12 — Billboard reached out to Fernandez in Los Angeles.

Lady Gaga accepts the Video of the Year award onstage during the 2010 MTV Video Music Awards at NOKIA Theatre L.A. LIVE on September 12, 2010 in Los Angeles, California.

Lady Gaga accepts the Video of the Year award onstage during the 2010 MTV Video Music Awards at NOKIA Theatre L.A. LIVE on September 12, 2010 in Los Angeles, California.

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How did the meat dress project come to you? Was there a brief, or a white paper?

It started with Nicola [Formichetti, then Gaga’s stylist] saying, “We want to make a meat purse for the red carpet.” Somewhere along the way, we were like, “Let’s do a full dress.” I don’t even think it was a fully formed idea until I started making the dress and she saw it, halfway done. She was like, “Holy sh-t!” in this way of “I didn’t know this thing was fully being formed.” It was more like a small shock — which I think is normal when you see that much meat slung on a hanger.

I’ve read you bought the meat from your family butcher.

There’s an Argentine market and butcher shop in the Valley that is now called Mercado Buenos Aires. I just went up to him. Well, it was also my family. I called my family and I was like, “Hey, I have to make this thing out of meat,” and they’re like, “Oh, you should use this cut,” and the butcher would go, “Yeah, you should definitely use this cut.” They all knew I was doing some strange work at the time, so I don’t think there was a lot of pushback.

How much meat did you wind up using?

About 60 pounds. It was a good amount on her body. I mean, she’s small, so I’m sure that was a lot.

Are you a meat eater? Was anything about this counter to your values?

I’m Argentinian. If anything, these are my values. All we do is eat red meat. It was definitely not a problem.

How challenging was the meat to work with?

I let the meat dictate what I could do. We sewed it onto a corset with carpet threads, so it was really thick, strong thread, and followed the striations of the meat to make sure whatever we had attached wouldn’t have fallen off. I didn’t fight the meat.

How much time did you have?

Probably three days, one day spent sourcing the meat. I didn’t have the space to do it. I was staying at my friend [Australian singer-songwriter] Sam Sparro’s basement in Silver Lake. He was like, “If you want to make this here, you can turn up the A/C and work.” So I worked out of his living room. He was really nice to let me do that and cleared out his fridge and had half of a mannequin in it.

The mannequin on which you draped the meat?

It was more like a bust form, an actual dress form.

So you were opening the fridge and putting meat on the mannequin torso?

No, we weren’t building in the fridge. We were building it outside. Obviously, when you took breaks, or if the meat had been out, you didn’t want it out too long. One hour in, one hour out, etc. It was pretty gruesome.

How worried were you that the meat would spoil?

Oddly, I wasn’t worried about the spoiling. I was more worried about the color losing its vibrance, because meat is so bright and red and beautiful when it’s refrigerated and fresh. The butcher told me to spray it with some salt water here and there to keep its redness, and it worked. Also, the kind of meat is called matambre [a thin cut of beef], and it’s more (of) a greasier cut than a bloody cut. We were less worried about it dripping.

When did you realize, “We’re done, this is perfect”?

When I saw her on camera, on the monitors, we were backstage at the VMAs — once she was sewn into it and the shoes were on. I was fussing with it a bit in the elevator on the way for her to get into her seat.

What other logistical problems did you worry about as you built up to the end?

I just remember it happening so fast. More than anything, it was like, “I hope she likes it, I hope she wears it.”

I’ve read there was a taxidermy process to maintain the meat.

After she wore the dress, I went to pick it up the next day and put it in a trash bag and carried it out. It was frozen at my parents’ freezer for a couple months, along with the shoes and everything, until we decided what to do with it. And this idea came up about taxidermying it. I took it back to my friend’s house and at that point it had rotted a bit. It was kind of gross, but we put masks on and we sewed it back in place.

How important was this thing you created to Lady Gaga’s career, and culture?

I have Google alerts on my name. There will always be an article about the 20 most shocking dresses of all time — Björk in her swan dress or J.Lo in the Versace dress — fashion moments that are shocking that ultimately are not that shocking. They’re just a moment in time.

Gaga has addressed this, but did you get outrage from anti-meat activists?

Yeah. I’m for everyone having whatever diet they want, but there are extreme animal activists that are aggressive. I definitely got some interesting emails at the time, some I had to hand to detectives to make sure it was documented. Because I noticed the outrage, I made two Facebook groups, a pro-meat-dress group and an anti-meat-dress group, and they didn’t know that I was running both. There was another Facebook group, this time much later, about how I made the meat dress out of dead babies or something — it was the strangest, most outlandish thing. At the time, I saw the letter Q [for QAnon] on things, and I didn’t really know what that was.

The refrigerator at your friend’s house where you stored the work-in-progress meat dress — that seems historic. Is that fridge still at that house?

[Laughs.] Well, he moved out. It was a loft in downtown L.A. Landlords probably still have that fridge. I should’ve asked. That would be a fun piece to have. I guess.

LCD Soundsystem are gearing up for another one of their annual New York residency runs. The James Murphy-fronted dance-rock collective announced on Friday morning (Sept. 12) that they will be setting up shop at the Knockdown Center in Queens, N.Y. for a run of 12 shows over three weekends later this year.

The shows are slated to kick off on Nov. 20 and run through Dec. 13.

The concerts will mark a return to the Knockdown space — the scene of last year’s residency gigs — with a release promising that the 2025 concerts will, “further explore the potential of the Knockdown space, including a variety of live openers, nightly afterparties featuring DJ sets from special guests, a DFA Records swap meet, an on-site iteration of the Michelin-starred Four Horsemen wine bar, and more.”

Tickets for all 12 shows will go on sale to the general public beginning Sept. 19 at 10 a.m. ET; click here for details. The public on-sale will be preceded by an American Express pre-sale beginning on Tuesday (Sept. 16) at 10 a.m. ET through Thursday (Sept. 18) at 10 p.m. ET, while supplies last; click here for details.

In the wind-up to their New York stay-put, LCD Soundsystem will perform at the See.Hear.Now Festival in Asbury Park, N.J. on Saturday (Sept. 13), the Portola Music Festival in San Francisco (Sept. 20), as well as a pair of shows at the Hollywood Bowl on Sept. 25 and 26 with Britpop legends Pulp.

The late 2025 run will follow-up similar New York residencies by LCD in 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024.

The dates for the upcoming shows are: 

Nov. 20, 21, 22, 23

Dec. 4, 5, 6, 7

Dec. 10, 11, 12, 13

Check out the poster for the 2025 LCD Soundsystem residency gigs below.

Maybe it runs in the family. When Mark Ronson visited The Tonight Show on Thursday night (Sept. 11) he doubled-down on a recent offer from his stepdad’s band to be the musical guest at Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s wedding.

A few weeks after Foreigner threw their hat in the ring with an offer to be the wedding band at the recently engaged couple’s as-yet-unannounced nuptials, Ronson told Jimmy Fallon that he was up to offer his party-starting turntable services as well.

“If you guys need a DJ, Travis, Taylor,” Ronson said, as Fallon tossed in his bid to be the couple’s official wedding stand-up comedian. “Let’s get on that!,” the pair agreed.

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The chat opened with Ronson taking a victory lap for helping Foreigner — co-founded by his stepdad, guitarist Mick Jones — get inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame last year. The last time he was on with Fallon, Ronson brought along a NSFW message from Sir Paul McCartney urging the RRHOF to finally induct the “I Want to Know What Love Is” band.

“When I found out they got in, I was just, I guess because it was my stepdad, he’s just done so much for me, he’s such a huge influence,” Ronson said of Jones. “I was so much more excited when they got in than any other award or anything I ever got. I actually broke down and cried when I found out they got in.” 

Ronson was in Cleveland on the night of the induction, though he said Jones, who has Parkinson’s, could not make it and stayed at home to watch it on TV and celebrate with his family. 

The visit also included Ronson, 50, talking about his new memoir, Night People: How to Be a DJ in ‘90s New York City, a remembrance of his crazy days and nights being a DJ in New York in the 1990s, which included Fallon sometimes helping him haul his crates of vinyl back to his van at the end of the night.

After recalling his thrilling first DJ gig at 10 years old — at his mom and stepdad’s wedding — Ronson detailed the moment he realized he’d found a unique style to set him apart from the many other DJs working clubs in New York at the time. 

“One night I played AC/DC ‘Back in Black’ at this like, super amazing hip-hop party where they didn’t play anything like that,” he said. “Playing the kind of wrong record in a place like that you could get a bottle thrown at the booth or worse.” He described playing the biggest song at the time, “It’s All About the Benjamins” by Puff Daddy with Notorious B.I.G., Lil Kim and the Lox, and throwing in a bit of the hard-rocking guitar break from the AC/DC classic in the middle of the song and watching the club freeze for a scary second before everyone just lost it.

“You know, the bigger the risk, the bigger the reward, it was this lovely moment,” Ronson said of the moment he became known as “that guy” in New York who would mix rock and hip-hop and everything else he could think of.

Not for nothing, Ronson also described the time a DJ gave him a copy of the then-unreleased Biggie song “Hypnotize” and he got to play it in a club just moments after he heard it for the first time. “I just throw it on and the whole club.. you know how ‘Hypnotize’… that ‘boom-uh!’… it sounds like a meteor hitting the club. 500 people are hearing this song for the first time, knowing that they’re experiencing history and everybody is connected by this experience.”  

Ronson hung around to play a game of “True Confessions” with Fallon and Reese Witherspoon, in which he told a tall tale about getting tucked in to bed as a kid by late comedy great Robin Williams.

Watch Ronson on the Tonight Show below. 

When Exceleration Music launched in January 2021, it became something of an anomaly in the music industry: A group of indie label execs, dedicated to investing in and acquiring other indie labels. 

Backed by what the company has called “substantial investment capital” that allows it to make deals ranging from the hundreds of thousands to nine figures, Exceleration was co-founded by five executives with deep roots in the indie music community: former Concord Music Group CEO Glen Barros; former Concord Records president John Burk; former Merlin CEO Charles Caldas; former Ingrooves general manager Amy Dietz; and former Epitaph Records general manager Dave Hansen. Since launch, it has acquired or invested in indie labels including Alligator, Bloodshot, Kill Rock Stars, Mom+Pop, SideOneDummy and, most recently, the U.K. label Cooking Vinyl

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Exceleration’s stated mission is to support the growth of indie labels and provide an “honorable exit” for label founders who are looking to step away, all while preserving the indie ethos on which they built their businesses. Over nearly five years, the company has grown substantially, most notably with its 2023 acquisition of global digital and physical distribution and music services company Redeye Worldwide — marking a sizable expansion of its capabilities and staff, which now numbers 175 employees. 

Unlike so many players that have entered the music industry over the last decade, Exceleration isn’t just an investment fund but, in many cases, an active player in the companies in which they invest, with a view toward upholding what made them special in the first place. And in an era of growing consolidation, Exceleration remains an intriguing alternative to the major labels and investment giants that have become increasingly focused on buying their way into the independent market. Its founders describe themselves as “true believers that independent music is a cultural necessity, not an investment class.” 

Billboard recently caught up with Barros and Dietz to discuss how Exceleration has evolved over the last five years, the company’s growing focus on international markets, how they feel about the majors’ aggressive push into the indie space, the increasing influence of AI and more. 

How do you feel about the state of the indie label business currently, and related to that, why is a company like Exceleration needed now? 

Glen Barros: Obviously, the industry is changing pretty rapidly. Even the indie world is pretty hard to define, with do-it-yourself artists and so forth. But in looking at the traditional labels out there, labels need the same things they always have to succeed, which are human and financial energy. That’s what we were trying to bring into the indie space: people who understood the indie world, the ethos of indies, the way indies operate, the pain points that most indies endure and try to manage through, things they do well, things they don’t do well.  

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[In terms of] why now, I think you have this ever-changing world, and it’s harder and harder to navigate. And can you provide, as much as possible, a one-stop solution for indies to do what they do best, which is make and market music? And how can we provide the other services that go around that? At the time when you know people need to exit, people need capital for growth, whatever it might be, we’re there to solve for that, too.  

The formation of Exceleration was really in reaction to what we saw as a need in the market. In the last decade, you’ve seen a lot of capital flow into the industry, a lot of investment funds, which we are not. With that happening, it was creating a lot of angst. And so that was the genesis: How can we bring the right kind of capital in? The right kind of organization to solve those issues? Where we are today is a much more advanced state than when [we launched]. 

Can you give a better sense of just how hands-on Exceleration is? 

Barros: Every deal we’ve done starts with listening to what our partner wants and needs. In some cases, it’s very little involvement, and in other cases, it’s everything. We’re acquiring the company and then building upon it and working to take it forward. Part of the original mission was to be very in tune with the needs of the community on an individual basis. 

Amy Dietz: One common theme that we were hearing was that a lot of labels have been entrepreneurs operating by themselves for a long period of time. And one of the things that became attractive to them was the idea of being able to collaborate with more people who have different experiences but come from a similar value system and have had different successes. So, we can get quite involved with some of the labels and rights owners around what their A&R strategy might look like, and how they’re building out their year, and what resources they need.  

We get very involved on a day-to-day basis around Redeye in particular, certainly with the labels as well. We’ve created different, I wouldn’t call them divisions, within the company, because we view it very much as all one company, but different areas of expertise. So, there are different people within what had been traditionally called Exceleration. That’s merged with the services that are being provided within a distribution platform. I come from a distribution background, so there’s a lot of getting involved, understanding what labels need from that perspective, understanding supply chains. It can be quite involved, while really empowering the leadership in each of these areas to step in and take care of the day-to-day. 

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Speaking of Redeye, can you talk about how that acquisition came about and how it’s changed the business? 

Barros: We define our business as providing service to the indie community, and we put it in three buckets: financial services, operational services and administrative services. Originally, [we thought of] operational services as rights management, and business affairs and royalties and all those things that labels need. Labels [also] need distribution. What we realized was, we could really help to provide a strong alternative if we bring our resources to bear with Redeye and fuse it together with our labels. So, when the opportunity arose, it made all the sense to us that this was the right move. 

How else has the strategy changed over the last five years? 

Barros: When we started this, the theory was that with the five of us coming together and with relationships that we had, we wouldn’t really have to market ourselves and that we’d be able to do it in an organic, relationship-based way. And so, it is snowballing a bit, because the more we do, the more visible we are, and we’re starting to get a lot more incoming.  

But now, we really do want to expand beyond just the financial side of things and go more into the operational, administrative services. I think what you’ll see over time is a couple of things. One is more and more services being incorporated into the group, and geographic expansion, because a lot of what we’ve done to date has been U.S.-based. The one we just did most recently was [to acquire] Cooking Vinyl in the U.K. But even before that, we really changed Redeye’s operation in the U.K. to be far more focused on U.K. distribution. And there’s much more to come if things go the way we hope, in that territory, but also in Europe and South America, Asia.  

Can you talk about the typical dollar size of your investments — even just a ballpark range of the biggest to the smallest deals that you’ve done? 

Barros: We’ve done a lot of smaller deals that we don’t even announce. Those could be a few hundred thousand dollars, up to a million, something like that. And we’ve done a couple of bigger deals that are in the mid-eight-figure range. We’re looking at things that are even in the nine-figure range. From a capital perspective, the nice thing is, we really do have the ability to flex. That gives us the confidence to go out and try to make the right strategic moves and be sensible about it. Again, we’re not a fund. We don’t have this pressure to go out and spend a certain amount of money or chase deals. It’s very strategic and thoughtful. But when we have a deal that makes good sense, there’s really not a deal that we couldn’t pursue, size-wise. 

Would you ever buy or invest in a live or merch business, or are you going to stay strictly focused on labels? 

Barros: We’d never say never, but it would be hard for us to see how live would make sense. Mainly because it feels slightly disconnected to the mission of helping indies. Not to say that live is not an important part of the indie world, but there’s a gap between the rights space and the live space. Merch, that’s a different story. We’re not anywhere near that now, but that’s a little more closely related and may provide a good service to indies. So, possibly. 

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Dietz: The kinds of things that we’re talking about, where people need help, even with managing rights and what that looks like, I could see where something like [merch] could be a fit. Anything about fan bases and engaging fans and things like that. 

I’m surprised that more companies like Exceleration haven’t popped up in the last few years. Why do you guys think that is? 

Dietz: It’s a good question. You’re really getting your hands dirty. We’re really hands-on in what we’re doing and what we’re building. And so, depending on what somebody is looking to accomplish, there might be differing levels of that — whether you’re wanting to outsource some of these things, whether you want to really focus on a specific thing. We’re viewing this holistically. [Other] people might be wanting to stay really focused on [one thing]. 

Barros: If you think about how we built the company, kind of being at this nexus between the investor world and the indie world, and trying to bring the right kind of investment capital in, it’s pretty rare to find the right kind of investment cap. There’s plenty of money in the industry these days, but it’s generally chasing rights with no strings attached. Just cash flow.  

That is treating music as an asset class. Anybody who spent their whole lives in the music world [is] a little offended by that. You now have a lot of investment capital going into the distribution side of things, but it’s all on the digital side. That’s where the market is, that’s the cutting edge, that’s the way they view it. And what we try to do is come in with this very holistic view of, those are only slices of the industry. What about the whole picture? That’s what we’ve tried to solve for. Like Amy said, it’s a lot of work. Everybody wants the proverbial low-hanging fruit. Well, we’ll climb the tree. 

There’s this increasing trend of major labels gobbling up indie companies, which is in part a play to maintain market share. What do you think is lost when majors start buying up these companies? 

Barros: I don’t begrudge anybody making the right decision for their business. The main issue is, when you look at the majors, serving indies is not their primary goal. That is not what they get up in the morning thinking about. We know the indie psyche. It’s obviously very diverse, because there’s a lot of different people in this space. But at its highest level, we get it. You’ve got to ask yourself the question: What are the majors really in it for? It’s not to say they can’t provide good service, and [they] obviously [have] lots of capital, and they can do the job. But I think it’s really the intention as to why you’re in that business that we were trying to use as a differentiator. 

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UMG’s Downtown deal is currently being looked at by the antitrust agency in the EU. There’s been a lot of outcry in the indie community about the deal. I’m curious to get your thoughts on that. 

Barros: It’s complicated. I think the issue here is that it’s more than just them adding rights to their business, or more distribution. It’s indie infrastructure. And that complicates it a lot. Going back to the same point I made earlier of, what’s the intention? 

Glenn, you came from Concord, and Exceleration in some ways feels similar. How did your experience at Concord inform what you’re doing now? 

Barros: [I had] 25 years at Concord, and there were a few different periods for me, the last of which was one of significant acquisition and investment. That was really where I learned a lot about what was going on in the investor world, saw what was happening, how it was changing things. We also figured out how to put it together in a way that made it most effective, most efficient, but also maintained the music company core.  

[Concord] really did inform a lot of what we’re doing, but Exceleration is its own thing now. It has its own vibe, which is pretty different. But where it is the same is, it has the heart and soul of a music company. We bring in investment capital, we have people that we brought in from all parts of the industry who are experts in what they do.  

A lot of indies will save — let’s put it that way — on those areas of the business that aren’t the fun ones, and in fact, the ones that drive what they’re all about. We want to have every part of that really buttoned up, from administration to supply chain to accounting to everything being top-notch. That was very much what we built at Concord, and I’m very proud of that.  

You guys work outside the pop sphere, more in niche genres. Do you guys have a promo team? Does something like radio play interest you at all? 

Barros: We don’t have a promo team yet. It depends on how our industry evolves. Going back to the Concord thing — and Concord still has a very strong promotion team — but it wasn’t until we had a lot more scale that we saw that that made sense to do. Again, that’s a core function of a record company. For now, to the extent labels need it, it’s outsourced. But as we’re growing, there’s a lot of those things that are going to start coming in, so we’ll see. We’ll try to match the need in the industry, and we’ll build all the functions that serve our labels. 

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Dietz: I think Glenn hits an important point [in terms of] what is actually happening in the industry. Meaning, how important is radio for artists? Obviously, there’s still a need for it, but it has changed greatly as far as what that really is. As we look at how we’re building out what those services are, it is very much based on what’s happening in the market as well. And taking the things that are historical and will have needs, but also really having our eye on the kinds of tools that are needed in a world that is as much marked by TikTok as a radio hit.  

You have labels with amazing catalogs. How involved are you in reissues? 

Barros: Very active. With the labels we’ve invested in or own, in most cases we own the catalog. We may not own all of the go-forward business, but we do own the catalog. So we have a great focus on the reissues there. In terms of all the discussion of talking about how to serve superfans, we’re big believers that on the physical side of things, that is your superfan. Who’s spending all that money on vinyl, right? So, we think that’s a way to do it. 

What do you think are the biggest issues facing the indie sector today, given all the recent changes with technology, most notably AI? 

Barros: It’s the fact that there’s just so much content constantly flooding the market, trying to cut through. Trying to get any attention anywhere is more and more difficult. And I only see that getting worse with AI. So yes, we face the big challenges of AI in general, and what’s the rights situation there and all of that. But even beyond that, just the fact that it’s so easy to have more and more music flood into this marketplace. I find that very worrisome. 

Dietz: I would echo that. We don’t have curators in the way that we did. And even talking about curators is complicated, because I feel like we have pendulum swings of this. There was a point that we had so much curation that you could call it gatekeeping, and not having an ability to really reach fans yourself, or there were only a few ways you could get to market. 

[Now] we are kind of in a fully no gatekeeping [environment with] very few curation tools, and it’s become a little bit more anonymous. Thinking of this kind of pendulum back and forth, is there a space that we kind of come back to a little bit, where people want to have more emotional connection to [the music]? I don’t know how to answer all of those things, but I think people want some of that.  

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Independent labels are always challenged with resources, especially with the things that we were just talking about: all these different social media things you’re supposed to be doing, where everybody’s vying for attention. How do we help labels find the things that they really can focus in on, to create that level of connection? 

Barros: And adapt to the market. The market changes so fast, and you have labels that keep doing what they’ve always done, and then it’s not working. Some of those changes are really, really hard to navigate. I don’t think anybody has all the answers, but [we’re] trying to find those answers. 

You guys launched nearly five years ago now. Where do you see yourselves in the next five years? 

Barros: I know the path we’ll be on. I don’t know how far along we’ll be, but we’ll be further ahead. Going back to my Concord days, we never set specific five-year, 10-year goals or anything like that. Yeah, sure, we put it in investor plans and things like that. And by the way, [at Exceleration] we’re way ahead of where we thought we’d be in five years. Really, what we’re trying to do is just keep this thing moving and growing and trying to build a company that stands the test of time.  

Dietz: As a partner group, I think that’s how we view a lot of this. There are some North Stars in there, and you just kind of keep moving towards it. We’ll be farther along, [but] if the first five years are any indication, it might be hard for us to imagine exactly what that will be. We’re looking to try to do it in a sustainable way. We’re really paying attention to what we can really get done. 


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Billboard returned to New York City for its annual Hip-Hop/R&B LIVE event, taking over Webster Hall for a night of unforgettable performances. This year’s lineup featured Armanii, Leon Thomas, Ravyn Lenae, Odeal, and Gelo, drawing fans who lined up hours before the show to secure their spot inside the historic venue. Fans were in for an unforgettable night filled with surprises, from exclusive custom merchandise to a special surprise performance by Ty Dolla $ign. The energy never let up, making the night one fans won’t soon forget.

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The concert was presented by State Farm®, which treated attendees to a unique experience with free custom t-shirts screen printed live on-site. The designs were created by a North Carolina A&T alumnus and graphic designer KeShawn Sanders, giving fans a chance to take home an exclusive piece of the event.

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When asked about the inspiration of this design, Sanders told Billboard, “Recognizing the history of this place was extremely important to me. Webster Hall has a deep connection to Hip-Hop and Black culture, so I thought it was the perfect idea to highlight the venue in this design.”

The partnership builds on last year’s Good Neighbor Marketplace activation, which highlighted a clothing brand launched by another HBCU alum. Once again, State Farm showcased its commitment to supporting HBCUs and the broader community, not only through creative collaborations but also by inviting alumni from various HBCUs to join in the celebration.

On the importance of brand partnerships with aspiring talent, Sanders said, “It’s so important to highlight the artists, and it shows that HBCUs cultivate a culture of loving what you do. The world has so many different cultures and perspectives to offer, and recognition from brands like Billboard and State Farm means a lot in pushing our culture forward.”

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Blending music, design, and community impact, Billboard’s Hip-Hop/R&B LIVE and State Farm delivered more than just a concert; they created a moment rooted in artistry, heritage, and connection.

Former ADOR CEO Min Hee-jin, who has been locked in a protracted legal battle with HYBE, appeared in person on Thursday (Sept. 11) at the Seoul Central District Court. It was her first court appearance since the dispute began last year. On the witness stand was HYBE’s chief legal officer, Jung Jin-soo.

That day, the court heard two consolidated claims: HYBE’s request to confirm the termination of a shareholder agreement, and Min’s demand for payment under a put option (a contractual right to sell shares back). Positions between the parties remained sharply divided. The hearing revisited long-running flashpoints — allegations that HYBE’s new girl group copied NewJeans, clauses described by Min as “slave-like” non-compete terms, and claims of “forced album releases” targeting NewJeans. Jung questioned Min’s outside activities and possible breaches of contract, while Min countered, calling the narrative “fiction” and accusing the witness of “multiple false statements.” The courtroom confrontation stretched for almost five hours.

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The court plans to question Min again on Nov. 27 and wrap up arguments on Dec. 18, with a ruling expected in January 2026. At the heart of the civil dispute is the validity of a put option estimated at around 26 billion won (approximately $19 million USD). The shareholder agreement reportedly allows Min to sell up to 75% of her ADOR stake to HYBE, based on 13 times the company’s average operating profit over the previous two years. Applying ADOR’s 2022 loss of 4 billion won and 2023 profit of 33.5 billion won, the amount is calculated at roughly 26 billion. HYBE argues that the shareholder agreement was terminated in July 2023, nullifying the option, while Min maintains there was no termination and says she resigned only after exercising the option in November.

Later that afternoon, a separate proceeding was held: the second closed mediation session in ADOR’s lawsuit seeking confirmation of NewJeans’ exclusive contract validity. At the first session on August 14, members Minji and Danielle attended, drawing heavy media attention, but no agreement was reached. The session ended after just 20 minutes without a settlement, and the court scheduled a main ruling for October 30. NewJeans members remain barred from independent activities under a preliminary injunction granted to ADOR.

HYBE and Min Hee-jin’s put-option case is expected to conclude arguments by the end of the year, with a verdict likely in January. The NewJeans-ADOR contract dispute is also nearing resolution, with a decision set for Oct. 30. Nearly a year of intertwined litigation among HYBE, Min Hee-jin, ADOR and NewJeans is heading toward sequential conclusions as the year draws to a close — and the industry is watching closely to see where this saga ultimately lands.

Australian sport’s biggest moments should be soundtracked by Australian artists.

That’s the message from senator Sarah Hanson-Young, who has put the boot into the nation’s top football leagues for booking international entertainers to lead their grand final festivities.

As the NRL, the professional men’s rugby league competition, and the AFL, the premier league for men’s Australian rules football, go deep in their respective playoffs, both codes have tapped U.S. artists to take the stage on finals day.

“Another day, another iconic Aussie sport shipping in an international artist and ignoring our homegrown talent,” the Adelaide-based Greens politician writes on social media.

“Whether it’s the AFL or NRL Grand Final, an Australian performer should be taking the stage, not an American import.

“While Australia’s music industry is struggling, cultural institutions like huge grand finals should be backing Aussie talent.”

Hanson-Young’s comments closely follow the NRL’s announcement that Teddy Swims would headline the 2025 Grand Final Day entertainment, set for Oct. 5 at Sydney’s Accor Stadium.

That’s following the controversial announcement of Snoop Dogg as the headline act for the AFL Grand Final, set to kick off Sept. 27 at the Melbourne Cricket Ground.

When Snoop was announced, Hanson-Young used the platform of her speech to parliament — and a post from her Instagram account — to brand Snoop a “slur merchant” and question why the AFL would pay millions to acquire international talent “rather than backing Aussie talent”.

Australia’s music community is struggling to be seen and heard in a streaming world, where new artists are competing with 100 million-plus songs, and where catalog and major label signings from the U.S. and U.K. tend to dominate.

The potential solutions are many and varied, industry champions say, and could include the support act initiative “Michael’s Rule,” which requires that at least one local artist benefits from the support slot on an international artist’s headline tour of these parts. Earlier this year, New South Wales became the first state to implement what was once an industry code, by dangling financial incentives.

When he performs at AFL Grand Final Day, Snoop will follow in the footsteps of past headliners Ed Sheeran, Sting, The Killers, Lionel Richie, Tom Jones, Meat Loaf and homegrown rockers Powderfinger.

The NRL’s big day has featured domestic talent The Kid LAROI, Amy Shark, Gang of Youths, Jessica Mauboy, along with internationals Good Charlotte, Tom Jones, Billy Idol and the late “Queen of Rugby League,” Tina Turner.

The KPop Demon Hunters soundtrack collects another double on the new-look ARIA Charts, while Australian artists John Butler and G Flip are the week’s fastest starters.

Western Australian indie artist John Butler bows at No. 3 with his solo release PRISM (via Jarrah/MGM), the third in an expansive, four-part “seasons” project.

PRISM follows an album of meditations (Running River) and a fully instrumental LP (Still Searching). The fourth, he’s not entirely certain of its voice. The album was created entirely solo, with support from producer James Ireland (POND, San Cisco). “I was channeling Kevin Parker to see if I could do it all myself,” he tells Rolling Stone AU/NZ. “That was fun. I learned a lot about honing my production skills. I was making all the beats and all the synths and all the guitars and kind of create this symphony of sound.”

As band leader of the John Butler Trio, the roots rocker has nine top 50 albums, including ARIA Chart leaders with Sunrise Over Sea (2004), Grand National (2007), April Uprising (2010) and Home (2018).

Just missing out on a podium finish is G Flip, whose Dream Ride (AWAL) drives in at No. 4. Dream Ride is the multi-instrumentalist’s third studio album, and the followup to their 2023 chart leader Drummer. Dream Ride is the week’s best-seller on wax, to lead the ARIA Vinyl Chart.

The surprise release of Justin Bieber’s Swag II (Def Jam/Universal) refuels Swag, which bounces 20-6 on the new survey, published Friday, Sept. 12. Following its release in July, Swag debuted and peaked at No. 2.

Talking Heads frontman David Byrne lands a new career high as a solo act, as Who Is The Sky? (Matador/Remote Control) debuts at No. 18. That bests the No. 47 for My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts, his collaborative effort with Brian Eno, released back in 1981. Talking Heads had five top 20 albums in Australia, topping out No. 2 with Little Creatures in 1985 and True Stories in 1986.

Meanwhile, U.S. indie rock band Big Thief bag a top 20 appearance with Double Infinity (4AD/Remote Control), new at No. 19.

At the top of the leaderboard, KPop Demon Hunters (via Republic/Universal) lifts 2-1 for an eighth non-consecutive week at No. 1. The LP leapfrogs Sabrina Carpenter’s Man’s Best Friend, down 1-2.

After pulling their music from Spotify, and inviting fans to download their catalog on Bandcamp at whatever price they choose, King Gizzard And The Lizard Wizard’s strategy pays off with two entries into the top 50. Phantom Island (Virgin/Universal), released in June, returns at No. 39, and Flight b741, from 2024, reenters at No. 48.

KPop Demon Hunters proves impossible to slay, as the soundtrack to the animated Netflix hit accounts for seven singles in the top 20, led by “Golden,” which now leads the ARIA Singles Chart for a seventh consecutive week.

Aimer is teaming up with the blockbuster anime Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba once again. The “Zankyosanka” songstress was tapped to perform one of the two theme songs gracing the first of the anime trilogy Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba – The Movie: Infinity Castle — Part 1: Akaza Returns alongside LiSA, with Aimer singing “Taiyo ga Noboranai Sekai” (English title: “A World Where the Sun Never Rises”).

The songwriting team for the track includes Hikaru Kondo, the film’s general director, and Go Shiina, the composer of the soundtrack, both from the production team of the title’s anime series. Aimer’s vocals resonate with the story of the Infinity Castle movie, filling the song with strength, determination, and vulnerability. How did the “Asa ga kuru” vocalist approach this new song born from the movie? In this latest interview, the 35-year-old singer reflects on her connection with the Kimetsu series and opens up about the creative process and essence of her latest collaboration. 

You first collaborated with the Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba anime through “Zankyosanka” and “Asa ga kuru,” the opening and ending theme songs for the Entertainment District story arc. You’d already worked on many tie-ins for other works. What was it like working on the Kimetsu series?

When I was first tapped to do it, the work was already well known and LiSA had performed all of the theme songs up to that point, so there was some pressure. Still, I was able to work on “Zankyosanka” with the same team I’d been working with since my debut, and I’d also worked with Yuki Kajiura, who wrote “Asa ga kuru,” and ufotable, the production company behind the Kimetsu anime, so I was confident that we could create something great. Being able to join the Kimetsu anime team was a huge honor.

“Zankyosanka” went on to rule Billboard Japan’s 2022 year-end Japan Hot 100, and you performed it for your first appearance on the prestigious Kohaku Uta Gassen year-end music extravaganza. What does this song mean to you?

It’s a song that changed my concerts. In the early days of my career, there were a lot of ballads in my repertoire and the audience was mainly seated at my shows. I focused on making songs that reflected my inner world. But as I gained more experience, I began to realize how important performing live is, and last year I went on an overseas tour.

The Aimer 3 Nuits Tour 2024 that made stops in Shanghai, Taipei, and Hong Kong, your first tour outside of Japan in about five years.

The local crowd sang along with almost all the songs. In particular, “Zankyosanka” has a scat-like part that everyone can sing along to, so they sang it together with great enthusiasm. Inspired by their energy, I thought maybe my audience in Japan would sing along too, so I decided to make the next domestic tour (Aimer Hall Tour 2024-25 “lune blanche”) one where I build together with my audience. “Zankyosanka” was a big turning point for me.

How did you feel when you were asked to collaborate with the Kimetsu franchise again, to sing “A World Where the Sun Never Rises” for the latest movie version?

When I first heard about it, I was taken completely by surprise — I felt more surprised than happy, to be honest. Various artists have performed theme songs for the Kimetsu anime series since the Entertainment District arc, and until now, I hadn’t had many opportunities to sing the theme song for the same work after some time had passed. And the fact that it was one of two theme songs with the other by LiSA was also a huge surprise, so I felt both honored and delighted.

“A World Where the Sun Never Rises” was written by the three people involved in the creation of the movie. Hikaru Kondo, the movie’s general director, wrote the lyrics and the composition and arrangement were handled by the composers of the film’s soundtrack — the former by Go Shiina, the latter by Shiina and Sachiko Miyano. It’s a song made specifically for this movie.

They’re all probably constantly thinking about the Kimetsu anime, and I couldn’t imagine what people like that would come up with as a theme song. When I first heard the demo, I thought it was difficult and was like, “How should I sing this?” to be honest. There were parts that sounded like opera, the synths sounded like techno, and there were elements of rock as well. I thought it was a really interesting song, but also wondered what the correct way to sing it would be.

As you say, it feels like the true power of this song can’t be drawn out by simply following the melody. It’s like your vocals are so integrated with the music that the song is only complete with it.

When requesting a composer to write a song for me, I let them know my vocal range in advance. Most composers will then create melodies within that range with some leeway, but Mr. Shiina used the entire range, pushing it to the absolute limit. After I recorded it, he said, “I really love your low notes, so I wanted to include them, and I also wanted to make sure your high falsetto could be heard, too, which is why I composed the melody like that.” The chorus is my highest key, so I couldn’t sing it in my natural voice and had to use falsetto, and the first verse (A-melo) is at my lowest register. I rarely use long vibrato or falsetto with a classical-tinged, intense sound, so I realized that the song turned out so awesome because he intentionally aimed to “fully utilize Aimer’s voice.” Since the song is crafted to highlight my voice, it’s easier to add dynamics.

I see. Because this song makes full use of your limits, once it settles into your body, you’re able to effectively showcase your vocals.

I think Mr. Shiina took my vocal range into consideration and carefully adjusted every detail to make this song fit into the movie. When I sing long notes, I tend to leave just a little bit of breath at the end, and I was happy when he clearly left that part in the mix so it could be heard at close range. It reminded me of how much attention he pays to even the smallest details.

I see now that “A World Where the Sun Never Rises” became a song that enriches the Infinity Castle movie because it’s the result of everyone’s relentless pursuit of perfection.

They spoke about “the emotions of the Demon Slayer Corps and the situation as the decisive battle begins” and about wanting to “give meaning to the inclusion of the theme song (at that particular moment in the film).” I think the Infinity Castle Arc conveys the core values of Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba in a straightforward, pronounced way, so I wanted to express those values through the song as well. Mr. Kondo and Mr. Shiina were present at the recording, and I recorded the vocals while watching special footage from the movie. 

Is there a notable difference between singing your own lyrics and singing someone else’s?

When the lyrics are written by someone else, it feels like I can interpret the words intuitively, allowing me to focus on expressing the song according to the sound, and the resonance of the words. When I write my own lyrics, I understand the intention behind each word, for better or worse, and sometimes my ego gets in the way. I felt like I became part of the movie through “A World Where the Sun Never Rises,” which was a refreshing experience. It was my first time singing a song that has a perspective like that, so it was very interesting and exciting for me.

From what you said, “A World Where the Sun Never Rises” feels like it’s a song with a strong sense of “putting up a fight.” Personally, would you say that you live with a fighting spirit?

I do want to be calm, but I’m the type of person with intense emotional ups and downs, so I’d say yes. That’s why I’m constantly moved by the depth of each character’s story in Kimetsu no Yaiba. The story features powerful demons, and even the demons have motivations to become stronger. In Kimetsu, anger and sadness over what has been taken away or lost, and the strong desire to protect what’s dear to you, drive the battles. I also feel that I need to be strong to protect what’s dear to me in my daily life.

Maybe it’s the love for the things we hold dear that makes us stronger.

Right. In the Infinity Castle Arc, each character has something they absolutely can’t give up, and I think the underlying emotion is “love” in their desire not to let their friends or descendants experience the same sadness they’ve gone through. It’s a strong emotion so it can sometimes become distorted, but everyone is fighting based on their beliefs. I think “A World Where the Sun Never Rises” captures the excitement of the beginning of the Infinity Castle Arc and when you listen to the full version, you’ll understand the reason behind the title and the dynamics created by the varying intensities of emotions.

You seem to have consistently focused on the compatibility between sound and your vocals since your debut. Where does that originate from?

I’ve always loved songs where the vocals blend right in with the sound and exist in the music without sounding unnatural. The reason I started singing was because I wanted to be able to produce those kinds of songs and vocals. It might sound presumptuous to say that I want to use my voice as an instrument, but I’ve always wanted to express such things through song.

I think your songs resonate with listeners from outside Japan as well because they can intuitively get what you’re singing about even without following the lyrics.

I’m glad to hear that. I always hope that the thoughts behind the song and my own emotions can be conveyed through the sound and tone, even if there’s a language barrier. During my overseas tours, seeing everyone getting so excited in large venues made me realize that each song from the animation projects I was involved in was reaching people in faraway places, and it was very moving. It also reminded me how music transcends cultural and language differences. When I sing live, those emotions just naturally well up and turn into song. That’s why I love performing live and I want to proactively do live shows all over the world.

“A World Where the Sun Never Rises” will probably become another song of yours that resonates with people everywhere.

We were able to capture the best takes because everyone involved was present at the recording. The sound and my voice blended together better than I could have imagined, so I feel confident about it, and I’d like to draw from this experience in the future.

The idea of having to be strong to protect what you hold dear that comes across from Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba is both personal and universal. I should also value this idea if I’m to continue doing music, and this sentiment grows bigger and stronger every day. Next year (2026) marks the 15th anniversary since my debut, and I hope to express these feelings through my music at that time.

Perhaps the reason why you’ve become stronger is because you have more things you want to protect.

I’m not a strong person, but the reason why I’ve been able to come this far is because of my fans who listen to my music. 15 years from now, 20 years from now, I’ll probably keep making music with a desire to become stronger so I can protect the people or things that are important to me. I want to give back to my fans through my music, like, “It’s thanks to you that I’ve been able to come this far.” I want to stay true to myself and keep singing.

This interview by Sayako Oki first appeared on Billboard Japan