Cam’ron just upped the ante in his ongoing feud with actor Omar Gooding.

The rapper-turned-host recently took to Instagram to reveal that he pranked Gooding by hiring him as an actor for a fake movie.

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“I booked the n—a to do a movie that’s never coming out like three weeks ago,” Cam told his followers. “Yeah, Omar. That movie that you flew down to Miami for? It ain’t no movie coming out. I booked you. And I was laughing at you behind the scenes. I was there. I was sitting there laughing at you. And you know what? Now you’re coming on Revolt tonight because you signed the paperwork. I could do whatever with the footage.”

He then finished the video by saying he wanted to hire Gooding for a baby shower and claimed that he’s going to start booking his enemies. “Now do another record; I’ma book you for my goddaughter’s baby shower,” he said. “Her sh– is in October and we’ll book you to do all the diss records. I’ll pay you for that too because what I’ma start doing is paying n—as just to laugh at them. It cost me $3,500 to do everything to book you — the hotel, your flight, all that sh–. It costs me $12,000 to $13,000 to go to the NBA game. I’d just rather laugh at you for $3,500.”

He added: “Be careful. This is my new sh–. It’s called, ‘Book My Opps.’”

Gooding then responded with his own video on Instagram saying that he wanted to apologize for what he was about to do to Cam in yet another diss record, saying, “It’s gon’ be diabolical,” before also thanking the Harlem rapper for the free trip to Miami and asked him to book him again.

“Keep booking, I’ma keep spendin’ it,” he said before ending the clip.

The back and forth between Gooding and Killa dates back to a December 2024 episode of Talk With Flee when Cam’ron mistakenly confused Omar Gooding with his older brother Cuba Gooding Jr. by adding the Jr. suffix after the younger Gooding’s name during a conversation with 50 Cent about certain Black actors not having consistent work unless someone like 50 hires them.

“No disrespect to nobody I’m talking about,” Cam said to the Queens filmmaker. “Like Ving Rhames, you sitting around, or Omar Gooding Jr., y’all n—as sitting around — I would have saved my money and shot my own sh– by now — but the Black actor has to sit around for a 50 Cent or somebody in your lane to come pick them up to put them in something.”

Omar Gooding has released three diss records (and counting) aimed at Cam’ron.

Drake’s lawyers are trying to get their hands on emails and text messages that Universal Music Group (UMG) chief executive Lucian Grainge allegedly sent about the chart-topping Kendrick Lamar diss track “Not Like Us.”

Attorneys for the Canadian superstar (Aubrey Drake Graham) want to make Grainge a key witness in their lawsuit accusing UMG of plotting to boost the popularity of “Not Like Us,” Lamar’s hit 2024 Interscope Records track that called Drake a “certified pedophile.” Interscope is a subsidiary of UMG, as is Drake’s label, Republic Records.

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The case is now in the discovery phase of litigation, in which each side sifts through its documents and turns over relevant files to the other. But UMG has refused to produce Grainge’s emails and texts to Drake’s lawyers, insisting that its CEO had “no meaningful involvement” in the release or promotion of “Not Like Us.”

Now, Drake’s team is seeking a court order that would force UMG to turn over Grainge’s files. In a motion filed Tuesday (Aug. 12), attorney Michael Gottlieb says the company’s refusal “is unsupported by law and would prejudice plaintiff’s ability to test and prove his claims.”

“Plaintiff’s amended complaint contains numerous allegations specific to Grainge, including his role in and knowledge of the scheme to defame and harass plaintiff, and UMG’s use of deceptive business practices regarding the same,” writes Gottlieb. “UMG’s insistence on shielding Grainge from document discovery is unfair, unwarranted and inconsistent with fundamental principles of discovery.”

Gottlieb says in the motion that Grainge holds a “position of control” over artists like Lamar and that, as CEO, he approved the release and promotion of “Not Like Us.” As for Grainge’s supposed motivation for defaming Drake, Gottlieb says the executive is “well known for the encouragement of competition between the UMG record labels” and that the company had an incentive to devalue Drake’s brand in order to gain negotiating leverage ahead of upcoming contract extension talks.

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“If, as UMG claims, Grainge had ‘no meaningful involvement in the matters and decisions at issue in this litigation,’ then UMG will have little, if anything, to produce to plaintiff from his files, and the review process would impose minimal burden on UMG,” adds Gottlieb.

A rep for UMG did not immediately return a request for comment on the motion.

UMG has vehemently denied that it defamed Drake or did anything untoward in its promotion of “Not Like Us.” The company says Drake is just embarrassed after losing his very public rap battle with Lamar and is now trying to “save face” and “salve his wounds” with misguided litigation.

Judge Jeannette A. Vargas in New York federal court is currently weighing UMG’s motion to dismiss the case outright as legally invalid. The judge held a hearing earlier this summer, and her ruling could come any day now.

The Only Murders in the Building crew are keeping their friends close, and their murder suspects closer. In a Tuesday (Aug. 12) trailer for the show’s highly anticipated fifth season, Selena Gomez, Martin Short and Steve Martin’s characters find themselves in the middle of a modern-day Godfather situation, with the trio having to get cozy with members of the New York City mafia to solve their latest mysteries.

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The two-and-a-half-minute teaser opens with the death of doorman Lester, who is found in an outdoor fountain pooling with his blood. After the cops rule the shocking situation an “accident,” the Arconia mystery solvers must “go face to face with the mob” — as Martin’s character puts it — to find clarity.

“This isn’t the mob, this is the new mob of New York” says a distressed Short after meeting a group of gangster brothers in the trailer.

Elsewhere in the video, the gang crashes Lester’s funeral to get answers — and at one point, Martin unceremoniously checks the doorman’s casket to see if the body still has all 10 fingers. As mourners start yelling at him for defiling the corpse, the Rare Beauty founder says hilariously, “We’re all going to Hell.”

The new trailer comes about two months after Gomez revealed that she and her fellow cast and crew had wrapped filming for the fifth season of Only Murders. Sharing an emotional video of her last day on set, the star wrote on Instagram, “To my only murders family, the past 5 years you all have seen my best and my worst.”

“I hope [you’re] reading this because I deeply appreciate each and every one of you,” she added at the time. “Words can’t describe how much I love what we’ve all created and we wouldn’t be here without you all!”

In addition to the core trio behind Only Murders, Meryl Streep will also return for the fifth season, which will premiere on Hulu on Sept. 9. The new installment also stars Renée Zellweger, Logan Lerman, Christoph Waltz, Keegan-Michael Key, Beanie Feldstein and more fresh faces.

Watch the trailer for season 5 of Only Murders in the Building above.

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Back-to-school season is almost upon us, which means you’ll need to start the process of shopping around for durable and stylish backpacks.

The process of back-to-school shopping can be a pain, especially for your wallet, but it doesn’t have to be. To help you along your shopping journey, we’ve compiled a list of backpacks retailing for under $50 that we’re sure you’ll love.

Whether you’re looking for something trendy, tech-friendly, or simply practical, this list contains a wide range of backpacks to fit every need and preference. From sporty and trendy designs to Bluey and Minecraft-themed options, we’ve scoured retailers like Target, Urban Outfitters, Amazon and Walmart to find the best of the best backpacks for all ages, making back-to-school shopping easy and fun.

How To Shop The Best Back-to-School Backpacks For Under $50

KIDS’ BLUEY MINI 10.2″ BACKPACK – BLUE

Kids’ Bluey Mini 10.2″ Backpack – Blue

A Bluey-themed backpack.


Who doesn’t love Bluey? The character is lovable and loyal, making a great role model for adults and kids alike. This 10.2-inch bag retails for $16 at Target and features an all-over Bluey print set atop a salmon pink background. The bag also comes equipped with a front zipper pocket to hold whatever you need throughout your school day, from pencils and markers to calculators. The main compartment is wide enough to hold books and binders with ease. For a more comfortable fit, the straps are also adjustable.

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Girls’ 16″ Two Pocket Backpack

A blue quilted denim backpack with a bow print.


Cat & Jack is bringing cottagecore back to school. Retailing for $14 at Target, this 16-inch backpack is fitted with two wide pockets and tons of personality. The bag features an all-over white bow print set atop a quilted denim fabric. Additional features include a laptop sleeve, a nifty water bottle holder and adjustable straps.

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21L Sporty Backpack – All In Motion™

A sporty bright yellow backpack.


Why not have fun with your accessories? This All In Motion Sporty backpack from Target comes in a sunshine yellow hue that’s sure to brighten up your school day. You’ve also got a whopping two bottle holders, a laptop sleeve and large zip-up compartments along with ergonomic adjustable straps and a loop handle, making the backpack easy to carry on your back or in your hand. If the lemon-esque hue isn’t doing it for you, this bag also comes in five other colorways.

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SUPACOOL Casual Laptop Backpack for Men and Women

A simple black backpack.


If you’re looking for a simple but effective backpack with no nonsense, you’ve come to the right place. Retailing for $24.99 on Amazon, this SUPACOOL unisex backpack comes in monochrome black with a simplistic design. The bag contains a large zip-up compartment for books, laptops and anything else you want to take with you on the go. While the majority of this backpack is pretty standard, it has a hidden USB charger outside and a built-in charging cable inside that sets it apart from the rest.

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Kids Minecraft Backpack 4-Piece Combo School Supplies

A green Minecraft-themed backpack.


With the success of the Minecraft movie this year, we’re seeing tons of Minecraft-themed styles that are great for the back-to-school season. Stylish and full of personality, this one from Walmart is $36.99 and is designed to look like the dreaded Creeper, a Mob in the video game. The bag itself is pretty standard, just your one-compartment style with a zipper closure. When you buy this backpack, you’ll also be getting a Minecraft-themed lunch kit, water bottle and a charm that comes with it. That’s four pieces in total for the price of one.

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Nintendo Boys’ “Game Time” Mario, Yoshi, and Luigi 17″ Graphic Backpack

A Super Mario Bros-themed backpack.


Speaking of video games, this Super Mario Bros-themed backpack is a hit in our books. Retailing for $14.97 at Walmart, this backpack is equipped with motifs of your favorite plumbers, Mario and Luigi, along with their favorite dinosaur companion, Yoshi. The animated graphics give way to one main compartment, one front pocket and a padded laptop pocket to keep all your belongings. The bag also has two foam mesh pockets to hold your water bottle. Additionally, this backpack features reflective portions that’ll keep your little ones seen and safe if they’re ever out late.

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JanSport SuperBreak Plus Laptop Backpack in Misty Rose

A pink backpack with a black strap.


Pretty in pink and affordable to boot. This JanSport backpack comes in a Misty Rose colorway and retails for $40 at Urban Outfitters. The bag has all the right details, including a large main compartment and front pocket along with an inner laptop sleeve, water bottle compartment and adjustable sleeves. The style also features a padded back panel that allows the bag to lie comfortably on your back after those long days in class.

For more product recommendations, check out this Lululemon Everywhere Backpack, top 10 back-to-school essentials, and Rihanna’s FENTY x PUMA Creeper Phatty ‘In Session’ sneakers to elevate your back-to-school style.

Metro Boomin’s civil rape lawsuit is slated to go to trial in September after “unsuccessful” settlement negotiations between the superstar producer and a woman who alleges he assaulted and impregnated her in 2016.

Vanessa LeMaistre’s 2024 lawsuit claims she blacked out after ingesting Xanax and alcohol in Metro Boomin’s studio during a recording session and later woke up to the producer (Leland Wayne) raping her. The producer denies sexually assaulting LeMaistre, and his lawyers have called the case a “pure shakedown.”

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The lawsuit is scheduled to go to trial in Los Angeles federal court starting Sept. 23. According to a court filing from Monday (Aug. 11), attorneys for Metro and LeMaistre attempted to avert a trial by holding a mediation session with a retired judge in July but were unable to agree on a deal.

“After the mediation, the parties have continued limited settlement discussions, which have proven unsuccessful,” says the joint status report. “The parties are currently preparing the matter for trial.”

L.A. jurors will now be tasked with deciding whether Metro raped LeMaistre, who claims she met the producer in Las Vegas in the spring of 2016. LeMaistre says she confided in Metro about the recent death of her 9-month-old son, and that they “bonded over the ability of music to help people in their darkest moments.”

But LeMaistre’s belief about her bond with Metro allegedly “shattered” the following September, when the producer invited her to watch him work in his California recording studio. LeMaistre says she had a shot of alcohol and half a bar of Xanax, then blacked out, waking up on a bed in a different location “completely unable to move or make a sound” while Metro raped her.

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LeMaistre alleges she became pregnant as a result of the assault and had an abortion in November 2016. Notably, the lawsuit claims the attack is referenced in Metro’s 2017 song “Rap Saved Me” with Offset, 21 Savage and Quavo.

The lyrics in question, rapped by 21 Savage and Offset in the chorus, are: “She took a Xanny, then she fainted/ I’m from the gutter, ain’t no changing/ From the gutter, rap saved me/ She drive me crazy, have my baby.”

The lyrical reference in LeMaistre’s lawsuit is surprising, since Metro is a music producer and songwriter but does not typically write lyrics or rap himself. Metro has denied writing the “Rap Saved Me” lyrics, as well as the rest of LeMaistre’s allegations.

Metro’s attorneys say in court filings that the producer and LeMaistre had fully consensual sex in 2016, and that the plaintiff concocted an “elaborate and grandiose plan” to fabricate assault allegations and demand millions of dollars from Metro while under the influence of ayahuasca eight years later.

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Reached for comment on Tuesday (Aug. 12), Metro’s lawyer Lawrence Hinkle referred Billboard to his statement last year, in which he called the lawsuit “a pure shakedown.”

“These are false accusations,” said Hinkle when the lawsuit was filed in October. “Mr. Wayne refused to pay her months ago, and he refuses to pay her now. Mr. Wayne will defend himself in court. He will file a claim for malicious prosecution once he prevails.”

LeMaistre’s attorney, Michael Willemin, said in his own Tuesday statement that Metro “has failed to comply with basic discovery obligations” since the case began.

“Meanwhile, we and Ms. LeMaistre have pushed the case forward aggressively, and, because of that, we are headed towards trial on September 23, 2025,” says Willemin. “We look forward to holding Mr. Wayne accountable in front of a jury of his peers.”

Taylor Swift announced her brand-new album, ‘The Life of a Showgirl,’ through a teaser for an upcoming episode of Travis and Jason Kelce’s ‘New Heights’ podcast, where she appears as a guest. We’re breaking down everything we know about TS12!

Jason Lipshutz:

This episode is gonna break every podcast streaming record known to man.

Tetris Kelly:

Taylor Swift just announced her brand-new album ‘The Life of a Showgirl.’ But when is it coming out? October 13th??? And what will it sound like? Max Martin? We’re diving into everything we know!

Jason Lipshutz: 

It’s funny because, as a longtime Taylor Swift fan, I’m still used to the every other year album releases. ‘The Tortured Poets Department’ was April 2024, I’m mentally like, “All right, see you 2025, maybe 2026.” The fact that we’re getting a new album this year is pretty remarkable.

Tetris Kelly:

Well, with one Swift countdown clock and a teaser from her man Travis Kelce’s podcast, we’re officially in a new era. And her website listed the ship-by date for ‘The Life of a Showgirl’ as October 13th, so when can we expect it? 

Jason Lipshutz: 

Obviously, vinyl is gonna need some time to be produced and shipped and all that stuff. So maybe the album comes out in October. Maybe the album comes out on Friday. Who knows? Like, maybe we get a single on Friday and an album in September. You know, one thing that is worth noting is the deadline for Grammy eligibility is the end of August. So look, if we get a Taylor Swift album coming out this month, then it will be eligible at the 2026 Grammy Awards.

Tetris Kelly:

She also dropped a playlist featuring songs produced by her ‘1989’ hitmaker Max Martin.

Keep watching for more!

Tom Sandoval famously pondered on The Traitors season 3 “I think I’m the only person that is musically inclined in this whole castle” during the creepy doll challenge. While that’s certainly not true of his competition as he and his cover band aim for the win on America’s Got Talent, Tom Sandoval and The Most Extras certainly had enough musical inclination to get them past the audition phase and into the quarterfinals.

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“I am so excited!” the reality star and singer tells Billboard of advancing to the next stage of NBC’s talent competition show, before sharing he previously had some hesitations about competing. “I was very, very nervous. I wasn’t sure I really wanted to do it. I thought, you know, I might be facing a lot of backlash online, and I just decided this is such a great opportunity for me … and for the band to be out there.”

That backlash, of course, is from his May 2023 headline-making “Scandoval” — his affair with fellow Vanderpump Rules cast member Raquel “Rachel” Leviss, who also happened to be a close friend of Sandoval’s girlfriend of nearly 10 years Ariana Madix — which had him go from a fan favorite to Public Enemy No. 1 (or, as The New York Times called him, “The Most Hated Man in America“). Since then, the reality personality has been on a redemption tour of sorts to rehab his image, which included participating in season 2 of Fox’s Special Forces: World’s Toughest Tes, and the aforementioned Emmy-winning Peacock show The Traitors.

But he’s putting the past behind him and moving forward with his musical aspirations, which he also showcased at times on VPR, from the filming of his Charles McMansion video for original song “T.I.P” to playing the wooden penis flute and recording his trumpet playing for pals Lala Kent and James Kennedy’s song.

“I’m glad I did it,” he says of auditioning for AGT and getting a standing ovation from the judges for the band’s cover of A-ha’s 1985 Billboard Hot 100 No. 1 “Take on Me.” As for the band’s upcoming live performance, which viewers will be voting on? “Being able to perform again, when we come back, this is going to be [a] bigger performance, better and just overall, more — a lot,” he teases of the upcoming set, which will be a cover of The Weeknd’s “Blinding Lights,” which topped the Hot 100 for four weeks. “It’s going to be more extra than the first one!”

“We’re going to step it up as far as, like, just the overall production of our performance,” he explains. “Just really give it our all. We’re gonna be going a little bit different direction, music-wise. So I’m really excited for people to see the variety and the versatility that our band has.”

“You’ll have never seen us perform this song the way it’s going to be performed,” he adds. “It will definitely be our own. Trust me!”

Sandoval does have a goal in mind for the live performance beyond just moving forward in the competition. “I wanted to really showcase the fact that we’re a band that pretty much plays everything and anything,” he says of his group, which often covers classic pop hits. “So I wanted to have a nice little juxtaposition to what we did before, so in the sense of like, genre and era and things like that.”

One thing the reality star did say he’s working on making better this time is his vocals, which judge Simon Cowell critiqued as “weren’t great” after the cover band’s AGT audition. “I’ve been vocally training every day and just doing the best I can to keep improving myself,” shares Sandoval, who also says he “did not take offense” at all to the famously acerbic judge’s comments about his singing. “[I’m] always trying to get better.”

But for now, the performer says he’s just taking AGT one step at a time. “As of right now, to me, [the] ultimate reward is just getting out there and being able to play again,” he says. “And if we’re able to come back and play again and we go further, I will be that much more happier just going back out there and performing.”

As for what’s next for Tom Sandoval and The Most Extras? “We have a tour coming up. We’re going to be hitting about 20 or so different cities,” the former VPR star says. “We’re gonna work on recording some songs as well. Might do some originals too, but we’re definitely going to be recording and putting some music out.”

America’s Got Talent airs Tuesdays at 8 p.m. on NBC, and streams the next day on Peacock. The quarterfinals kick off on Aug. 19, with the first voting results revealed Aug. 20.

PETA tried to talk Trina out of performing at SeaWorld.

VIBE was in San Diego on Saturday to see the Miami rapper live at the famous theme park and caught up with Trina after her performance. She told the outlet that she was hesitant at first when she got the invite, saying, “I was excited, but I was like, SeaWorld? How do you perform at SeaWorld? This is like a theme park with kids.”

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Trina then revealed that animal rights group PETA sent her “aggressive” messages in an effort to convince her to cancel her appearance. “‘We love you as an artist, we respect you, but you can’t perform,’” Trina recalled. The “Pull Over” rapper and her team ultimately decided to go ahead with the opportunity. VIBE also confirms that PETA reached out months before Trina was set to perform with a message requesting that she cancel while also making a “commitment to stay away from SeaWorld.”

SeaWorld San Diego president Tyler Carter was asked to comment on criticism over the park’s treatment of wildlife, and he told VIBE: “I think the biggest thing we say is come check it out for yourself.”

He added: “Our core mission is education, conservation, and doing better for the planet. I think there’s a lot that people may not fully understand. And so we always recommend checking out our website. We have a lot of information about what we do, and really, just come see it.”

Elsewhere in the profile, Trina talked highly of the new crop of female rapper, including GloRilla and Sexyy Red saying that she often plays their music to get the crowd excited for her live sets. “When it’s time for the crowd participation, I always go to the new girls coming up, because I be turned up, [and] intrigued with their music,” she admitted. “I hear it, and I see people going crazy; I love it. Because I know how that was when I started. And these little girls, I love them… They have came and dominated the game.”

This isn’t the first time SeaWorld San Diego has made headlines. Soulja Boy and Bow Wow‘s performance last month at their “Summer Spectacular Concert Series” went viral for the second consecutive year.

iHeartMedia exceeded its revenue guidance in the second quarter, with revenue rising 0.5% to $934 million, the company announced Monday (Aug. 11). 

Consolidated earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization (EBITDA), a common profit metric that strips out the impacts of financing and accounting, rose 3.9% to $156 million, a result that was at the high end of guidance. 

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Investors reacted positively to the results, pushing iHeartMedia shares up 24.5% to $2.03 on Tuesday (Aug. 12). 

“Our second quarter performance was solid and slightly ahead of our initial expectations as we continue to execute initiatives while navigating a still uncertain macro environment,” CEO Bob Pittman said during the company’s Tuesday (Aug. 12) earnings call. 

At the multi-platform group, which includes iHeartMedia’s core radio broadcasting operations, revenue fell 5% to $545 million, while adjusted EBITDA dropped 8% to $96 million. The digital audio group, which includes iHeartMedia’s fast-growing podcast business, fared better than broadcast, however. Revenue there grew 13% to $324 million, while adjusted EBITDA climbed 17% to $108 million. Podcast revenue alone reached $134 million, up 28%, while non-podcast digital revenue improved 5% to $190 million. 

For the third quarter, iHeartMedia expects a low single-digit revenue decline and adjusted EBITDA of $180 million to $220 million, which represents a year-over-year decline of approximately 5% at the midpoint. That $40 million range of adjusted EBITDA guidance shows “there is still uncertainty in the marketplace,” said Pittman. 

Chappell Roan wasn’t kidding when she revealed recently that her highly anticipated sophomore album is nowhere near complete.

In a Tuesday (Aug. 12) interview with Apple Music 1‘s Zane Lowe, the pop star shared that — in addition to not having much of a start on the writing process — she doesn’t even know what her next project will sound like. And according to her, it doesn’t help that all three of the singles she’s released since dropping debut album The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess have completely different sonic styles, from the country-fried “The Giver” to the ’90s rock-inspired “The Subway.”

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“I just think that ‘The Giver,’ ‘Good Luck, Babe!’ [and] ‘The Subway,’ they’re all kind of so different,” Roan began. “So that’s why I’m just like, ‘I have no idea what the next era is.’ That’s the scary part of putting out new music and then people not liking it, because it’s not like the music you made before.”

“It makes you scared to release stuff,” she continued. “You’re like, ‘Well, people aren’t ever going to like it as much as the first one.’ That’s the risk you take every single time.”

The interview comes about a week after Roan first curbed lofty fan expectations by telling Vogue that no, she won’t be releasing another album any time soon, despite the pressure to follow up the success of Midwest Princess. “The second project doesn’t exist yet,” she said at the time, noting that it could take up to five years to complete CR2. “There is no album. There is no collection of songs.”

That said, Roan does think that her latest single, “The Subway” — which arrived Aug. 1 and recently gave the star a career high debut on the Billboard Hot 100 at No. 3 — will be a “safe” transition from Midwest Princess to whatever comes next. “I think it’s a good ring on the ladder,” she said of the track, which she also revealed to Lowe was actually written about her experiences in Los Angeles, despite its distinct New York City imagery.

“‘The Subway’ is just so much more romantic,” she explained. “But it was actually about me hiding in Los Angeles from someone who I was deeply in love with. We weren’t on bad terms, it was just kind of trying to avoid the coffee shops that we went to and parties. And so that’s where it came from, was, ‘Oh my God, I don’t know how to exist in this city.’ I felt pretty lonely there for many years.”

Plus, no matter which styles Roan employs on her next album, the commercial success of her three post-Midwest Princess songs — each of which reached the top 5 of the Hot 100, despite their differences — proves that fans are all but guaranteed to love it. And while breaking molds can be scary, the Missouri native says that experimenting with different genres is “one of the most admirable things an artist can do.”

“When Gaga released Joanne, and just was like, ‘Oh, I actually have this entire other side of me outside of pop,’ that just builds the character of your artistry,” Roan told Lowe.

Roan’s full interview with Lowe will arrive on Apple Music 1 soon.