Before he famously became the father of a dozen children, Nick Cannon was a dad to only the two kids he shares with superstar ex-wife Mariah Carey. But according to the actor, late friend Quincy Jones always knew that more kids were in his future. 

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In a Vulture cover story published Tuesday (July 15), Cannon reflected on a few words of wisdom that the iconic producer passed on to him after they met in 2007 on the set of Nick Cannon’s Star Camp, on which Jones served as a mentor. “He used to talk to me when I only had two kids, and it was just me and Mariah,” began the Masked Singer host, who shares 14-year-old twins Moroccan and Monroe with Carey.

“He’s like, ‘Yeah, that’s light work. You going to get tired of that soon,’” Cannon continued of Jones. “And I was like, ‘What do you mean? … I got an amazing wife who’s my dream girl!’”

According to the Drumline star, Jones replied, “I know your kind … You’re cut from the same cloth as me.”

The 28-time Grammy winner, who had seven kids of his own before dying at the age of 91 last November, would later become something of a blueprint for Cannon. “People ask, ‘Why you got 12 jobs?’ Because I’ve got 12 kids!” Cannon told the publication, citing how Jones reportedly left each of his children large inheritances. “I was like, ‘He did it right.’”

Cannon was married to Carey from 2008 to 2016, and they had their son and daughter in 2011. Following their split, the comedian would welcome 10 more kids with five other women. He shares Golden Sagon, Powerful Queen and Rise Messiah with Brittany Bell; Zion Mixolydian, Zillion Heir and Beautiful Zeppelin with Abby De La Rosa; Zen and Halo Marie with Alyssa Scott; Legendary Love with Bre Tiesi; and Onyx Ice with LaNisha Cole.

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The Wild ‘n Out star has since said that he isn’t actively looking to father more babies — but, as he told Vulture, “I never say ‘never.’”

“I always say people have so many different opinions about my parenting and who I am as a father, but one thing I know is that whatever my children want to do, I can help cultivate and amplify,” he added to the publication. “It’s maybe not the traditional or conventional way of parenting. Everybody else says, ‘There’s no way he could spend all the time with them kids and be present for all them kids.’ But I’m doing my best, and where I fall short, hopefully the things that I do have that bring me an advantage, I can lend to them.”

See Cannon on the cover of Vulture below.

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Hosted by Shane Gillis, the 33rd annual ESPY Awards (Excellence in Sports Performance Yearly Awards) honors the best and brightest in sports with superstar nominees, including Josh Allen, Shohei Ohtani, Caitlin Clark, Coco Gauff, A’ja Wilson, Saquon Barkley, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Simone Biles and others.

The ESPYS takes place at Dolby Theatre in Los Angeles on Wednesday, July 16. Additionally, Busta Rhymes, Clipse, Tobe Nwigwe and former-basketball player-turned-rapper LiAngelo Ball A.K.A. GELO are all set to perform.

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The 2025 ESPYS airs on Wednesday, July 16, at 8 p.m. ET/PT. The awards ceremony broadcasts on ABC.

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The 2025 ESPY Awards broadcasts on ABC on Wednesday, July 16, at 8 p.m. ET/PT. One of the best ways to watch the awards ceremony is with DirecTV. Check out a complete list of categories and nominees on the ESPY’s website.

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A fundraiser has been launched for JD Twitch, one half of the beloved Scottish DJ duo Optimo (Espacio) following his reveal of a terminal brain cancer diagnosis earlier this month.

The duo’s official Instagram account posted about the fundraiser on Tuesday (July 15) with a message from his wife, Marissa. “After so many kind messages from friends and fans around the world asking how to help, we are launching a Crowdfunder to support Keith’s urgent care needs,” she wrote, providing a link to the page where fans can donate.

The Crowdfunder page for the artist born Keith McIvor notes that “professional second opinions about Keith’s diagnosis have been sought, and while suggestions for medical interventions or alternative therapies have been gratefully received, it’s important to stress how advanced, inoperable and untreatable this particular tumor is — and that we can’t be raising false hopes.”

The statement continues by saying that McIvor “now requires 24-hour nursing care. His condition has affected his speech, his mobility and his independence. While he’s managed to take a few supported steps, he’s extremely vulnerable and needs constant assistance to do so safely. Referral by the NHS to a hospice in Glasgow would make everything much simpler. However, his symptoms are not currently advanced or severe enough to justify a successful referral, nor is it easy to predict when this might be the case.”

The Crowdfunder has already raised £61,630 (approximately $82,500). Money raised will prioritize private residential nursing care, additional support services and ongoing transport and palliative care needs.

The fundraiser follows McIvor’s announcement earlier this month that he’d been diagnosed with glioblastoma, the most common and aggressive type of malignant brain tumor experienced by adults.

In a July 3 statement on Instagram, the artist wrote that his symptoms “weren’t immediately diagnosed, and my health declined very quickly over just a few weeks.” He went on to thank “everyone who has supported me throughout my journey in music, from the early days of Pure in Edinburgh in the ’90s and through the past 28 years of Optimo (Espacio). Jonnie and I have been lucky enough to play out music at countless clubs and festivals throughout the world, and it has been one of the greatest honors of my life to make a career out of something I love. We have connected with so many beautiful souls through our shared passion for music.”

Optimo (Espacio) is revered around the world for incredibly selected and often soaring sets played at clubs and festivals across continents. The pair, JD Twitch and JG (Jonnie) Wilkes originated in their hometown of Glasgow and have continued ongoing club nights in the city. McIvor’s statement continues to say that “I trust Jonnie implicitly to continue Optimo (Espacio). I know he will carry it forward with the same spirit and passion we always shared showing you, as ever, just how much we ‘love your ears.’”

As singer-songwriter Max McNown prepared to release his country-folk love song “Better Me For You (Brown Eyes)” last November, he felt reluctant to share such a vulnerable single about his girlfriend of nearly two years. But the track quickly resonated with fans, becoming his first entry on Billboard’s Country Airplay chart and the Billboard Hot 100 — and soon, the 23-year-old’s perspective changed.

“I wasn’t expecting a song that is so specifically about my girlfriend to do so well,” he reflects. “It gives me a lot of encouragement to keep writing personal songs about my life.”

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McNown wrote “Better Me For You” in May 2024 during a session with Trent Dabbs, Ava Suppelsa and writer-producer Jamie Kenney, at the lattermost’s Nashville-area studio. At the time, McNown had a basic melody, a simple concept and the written phrase, “I didn’t know you’d have brown eyes,” which became central to the song’s chorus.

“Ava asked me more about my girlfriend, like, ‘What do you love about her?’” McNown remembers. “It’s about wanting to be a better person, because you want to spend the rest of your life with somebody.”

While McNown and his collaborators completed writing the hit-to-be in that session, slow-burning success from his summer 2023 ballad “A Lot More Free” allowed his team more time to build momentum. The prior bittersweet acoustic single — and title track to his debut EP released at the same time — gained traction in fall 2024, entering the top 30 on Hot Country Songs. It has more recently crossed over to alternative and pop formats, reaching a No. 8 high on Adult Pop Airplay.

“He hadn’t gone on any big tours yet, and ‘A Lot More Free’ was blowing up,” says McNown’s uncle and manager, Brandon Ebel, president of Tooth & Nail Records and Solid State Records, of opting to hold on releasing a follow-up single. “We wanted to wait for the perfect time.”

Chartbreaker, Max McNown

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McNown and his team teased “Better Me For You” on social media in October, focusing on the chorus — and more specifically, his phrase about brown eyes. Seeing fans referring to the song as such in comment sections, they quickly added the words to the song title ahead of its Nov. 15 release.

“It already had thousands of people using the sound on [Instagram] and TikTok,” Ebel says, adding that they invested the bulk of McNown’s budget into advertising with online marketing campaigns, including on social media platforms.

But even before the backing support from his team, McNown had already proved his internet savvy. When the Oregon native moved to California in 2022, he was given his father’s old guitar and slowly learned hit songs by Zach Bryan and Tyler Childers. He began to busk on the San Clemente Pier within a few months of arriving, and at the suggestion of a friend, soon posted those covers online. After gaining a following, he self-released “Freezing in November,” a solo write, in 2023, which signaled to Ebel that McNown was ready for the next step.

“He’d written a few other songs we thought were good, so I said, ‘As a favor, I’ll fly you down to Nashville and we can record a couple of songs,’” Ebel says. “I also had a couple of writers at my publishing company [Fugitive Song Publishing], and they agreed to write with him.” One of those early sessions yielded “A Lot More Free.”

Chartbreaker, Max McNown

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That September, McNown auditioned for American Idol but didn’t proceed with the show despite advancing in the competition. He wanted the space to continue building his discography — and his team. He had signed with Fugitive Recordings and inked a partnership with The Orchard in 2023 a few months before releasing his debut EP. McNown then moved to Nashville in 2024 and released debut album Wandering. This January, he signed a deal with Columbia Records — and released follow-up album Night Diving the same month, which included “Better Me For You.”

As his team took shape, so did a promotional strategy for success. He’s been able to experiment with various methods, ultimately landing on a Mount Rushmore of success stories that he continues to push on his socials. “‘Better Me For You’ is one of the ‘core four,’ ” McNown says. “That one, [May single] ‘Same Questions,’ ‘A Lot More Free’ and [2024’s] ‘Love Me Back.’ They seem to take off every time I post them on social media, so that has changed the approach. There’s maybe one post of each of those a week.”

A month before the official release of “Better Me For You,” the team focused on opportunities at radio for McNown as well, Ebel says. “We put out feelers to see their feedback,” he remembers. “As soon as it came out and started streaming very well, we decided to go to country radio.”

The decision proved to be wise: “Better Me For You” became his first Country Airplay entry on the chart dated Feb. 22 and has yet to leave the chart since. The following month, it surfaced on Hot Country Songs and reaches a new No. 28 high on this week’s chart. In June, boosted by its growing radio presence, “Better Me For You” debuted on the Hot 100 at No. 98, and has spent five weeks on the chart.

McNown hopes to continue his hot streak with an extended cut of Night Diving — titled Night Diving (The Cost of Growing Up) — out July 18 through Fugitive Recordings/The Orchard/Columbia Records. Plus, he’ll follow up performances this year at CMA Fest and Boston Calling with a set at Lollapalooza in Chicago before launching his 30-show headlining Forever Ain’t Long Enough Tour. As McNown looks ahead, Ebel reflects on how far the rising star has already come.

“He’s the whole package: A songwriter, a lyricist, a performer,” Ebel says. He immediately becomes reflective, recalling an opening set his nephew played last year: “He’d never played harmonica live, but 30 minutes before he went onstage, he was like, ‘I’m going to play harmonica on “A Lot More Free”’ and just dominated. That was the moment I knew, ‘This kid’s going to be big.’ ”

Chartbreaker, Max McNown

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A version of this story appears in the July 19, 2025, issue of Billboard.

After more than 12 years working together, Colombian superstar Maluma and marquee manager Walter Kolm and his team at WK Entertainment have terminated their managerial relationship. 

The split, confirmed exclusively to Billboard and expected to be announced today (July 15) was amicable, and puts an end to one of the most successful and stable artist-manager relationships in Latin music in recent years.

“I can only be thankful for so many special moments together, both inside and out of the industry,” Maluma (real name Juan Luis Londoño) said in a statement. “Looking back to the first minute that we started working together, I wouldn’t change a thing. On the contrary, together we showed that the sky is the limit and we accomplished the unimaginable. Today is the end of a professional cycle, but also the beginning of new opportunities for both of us. Our personal relationship remains intact, and like I always have, I wish only the best for him and his team.”

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He added, “Thank you, Walter, for your passion and dedication during these years. I love you, thank you and appreciate you.”

The singer told Billboard that he does not have new management and is “building a new team with new ideas. I want to give myself space and I’m focused on making new music, from my heart.”

Kolm signed Maluma in 2013, when the then-19-year-old was still largely unknown outside Colombia — but he immediately recognized the young artist’s star potential.

From that very moment I knew he had something special and seeing him become who he is today has been one of the proudest moments of my life,” said Kolm in a statement.

Now, he added,  “After many years of building a shared dream side by side, my time as Maluma’s manager comes to an end. Together we broke records, traversed borders and redefined what it means to be a global Latin artist. From his early days in Medellín to selling out international stages, every step has been an act of love, faith and total dedication. I’m very proud of you, Juancho. You are a superstar and even though our professional relationship ends, our personal one remains intact because I’m a second father to you and will always be here for you.”

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Maluma would go on to become one of Latin music’s biggest global stars, grazing the cover of Billboard three times: once with Shakira, another with Jennifer López and another alone. He was the first artist to top Billboard’s Global Excl. U.S. chart when it launched in 2020, with “Hawái” and he became the face of multiple global brands, including Hugo Boss.

Although Maluma and Kolm are no longer artist and manager, the two still have projects together, including an upcoming tour in Mexico that’s slated to kick off in August and includes three dates in Mexico City’s Palacio de los Deportes. Those dates are the follow-up to Maluma’s 12-city European arena tour, which included three sold-out nights at Madrid’s Wizink Center.

Now, says Maluma, he’s focused on releasing new music. “I’m excited about starting a new chapter. I have incredible songs and collaborations,” he told Billboard. A new single, “Bronceado,” is due July 17.  Maluma will also continue to helm his label, Royalty Records, whose roster includes rising star Maisak.

On his end, Kolm this year expanded his roster of artists, signing música mexicana star Xavi and, most recently, Colombian pop/rockers Morat. They join a group of stars that includes Argentine pop star Emilia, Colombian icon Carlos Vives, Puerto Rican legend Wisin and Prince Royce.

Kolm, who was Billboard’s 2018 Latin Executive of the Year, is widely viewed as one of Latin music’s most successful managers. He is also the founder of WK Records, whose roster includes Ryan Castro.

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Kid Cudi‘s signed memoir, aptly named Cudi: The Memoir, is now available for preorder at Barnes & Noble.

Through this memoir, the Grammy-winning artist, actor and designer takes readers through a raw and real look at his life, from his upbringing in Cleveland to his rise to fame through tracks such as “Day ‘n’ Nite,” “Pursuit of Happiness” and “Mr. Rager.” The memoir is deeply personal to Cudi, so much so, in fact, that he even drew up the cover art.

The signed memoir retails for $30, while the hardcover goes for $27. You can also grab an eBook for $14.99 and an audio CD for $39.99. You can also preorder the memoir on Amazon sans the signature for $21. The Kindle version retails for $14.99, while the audio CD, like the Barnes & Noble edition, retails for $39.99. No matter where you buy it from, the audio CD is narrated by none other than Cudi himself.

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“I cannot wait for u guys to read it. It’s filled with so much about my journey from my first memory to turning 40. Life lessons, the rager period of my life, and fighting my demons. All the way to the present, where happiness has found me,” Cudi wrote in a post to Instagram on May 11. “I hope this book does what my music does for u and gives u guidance and hope that u will make it through those difficult times.”

The memoir, according to Cudi, was written during a major point of self-discovery through depression, addiction, isolation and doubt. Beyond the cover art, you’ll get a chance to see more of Cudi’s colorful work throughout the book, as well as pictures from his childhood.

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While you wait for your preordered memoir to arrive, you can browse Barnes & Noble’s extensive list of memoirs and biographies from impactful rappers such as Tupac Shakur and Gucci Mane. There are also memoirs and biographical works from music industry legends such as Aaron Neville, Lenny Kravitz, Slash, Bruce Springsteen and Jay-Z, just to name a few. If you’re looking to read up on your favorite musicians, it’s likely that Barnes & Noble carries a book about them.

Memoirs aside, Cudi has had himself a big week. The “Better Place” rapper announced he married his longtime partner, Lola Abecassis Sartore, back in June. The two wed in the South of France on June 28 in a dreamy ceremony. Cudi also dropped a new song titled “Grave” along with a music video. The track comes from his upcoming album titled Free.

It’s no ordinary day when one of the biggest rappers in the world calls you out, but Alex Warren is taking Drake‘s recent diss in stride.

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In response to Drizzy’s comments about the TikToker’s smash hit “Ordinary” blocking the former’s “What Did I Miss?” from debuting at No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 this week, Warren posted a tongue-in-cheek video of himself Monday (July 14) on Instagram Stories. In the clip, he dances along to Drake’s “Nokia,” staring innocently into the camera as he shakes his hips to the lyrics, “Baby girl/ Let me see you do your dance, let me see you twirl.” 

In lieu of a caption, Warren simply tagged Drake’s username. “Nokia” also happens to have never reached No. 1 on the Hot 100, debuting at No. 10 in March before eventually climbing to No. 2 the following month.

Warren’s response comes shortly after the Canadian superstar expressed his disappointment with debuting at No. 2 on the Hot 100 chart dated July 19. On his Story, Drake wrote earlier on Monday, “Suppressor on the 1 spot.”

“I’m taking that soon don’t worry one song or another,” he added at the time, sharing a graphic of the U.S. chart’s top 10, which showed “What Did I Miss?” sitting just below Warren’s “Ordinary” at No. 1.

Though Drake may not be happy with the position of “What Did I Miss?” on the charts this week, the track still earned him a record-extending 81st top 10 hit on the Hot 100. He also now has 359 total entries on the ranking, more than any other artist in history.

Plus, “Ordinary” has proven pretty hard to beat. Warren’s breakthrough hit has spent a total of six weeks in the top spot, dethroned only temporarily by Sabrina Carpenter’s “Manchild” spending one week at No. 1 in late June.

Warren is currently fresh off the release of “On My Mind” with ROSÉ, which followed his Jelly Roll duet, “Bloodline.” Both tracks will appear on Warren’s new album, You’ll Be Alright, Kid, which drops Friday (July 18).

Toby Keith’s 35 Biggest Hits shoots like a firecracker back to the top 10 on the Billboard 200, rallying from No. 43 to No. 9 with 26,000 equivalent album units earned in the United States in the week ending July 10, according to Luminate (up 56%).

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The collection jumps up the list following streaming gains for its songs generated by Independence Day celebrations. The album, released in 2008, hit No. 1 on the Feb. 17, 2024-dated chart in the wake of Keith’s death that Feb. 5.

Of 35 Biggest Hits’ 26,000 units earned, streaming equivalent-album units comprise 24,000 (up 59%, equaling 32.9 million on-demand official streams of the set’s songs — it vaults 43-11 on Top Streaming Albums).

About one-third of the album’s streams for the week were generated by Keith’s 2002 No. 1 Hot Country Songs hit “Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue (The Angry American),” which was also his most streamed song of the week.

The patriotic anthem also reenters Country Digital Song Sales at No. 1, as it surged 121% to 3,000 sold. It concurrently reenters Hot Country Songs at No. 8.

The Billboard 200 chart ranks the most popular albums of the week in the U.S. based on multimetric consumption as measured in equivalent album units, compiled by Luminate. Units comprise album sales, track equivalent albums (TEA) and streaming equivalent albums (SEA). Each unit equals one album sale, or 10 individual tracks sold from an album, or 3,750 ad-supported or 1,250 paid/subscription on-demand official audio and video streams generated by songs from an album.

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David Kaff, a British musician and actor best known for playing keyboardist Viv Savage in the classic 1984 musical mockumentary This Is Spinal Tap has died at 79. The news was announced by Kaff’s bandmates in the metal group Mutual of Alameda’s Wild Kingdom on Sunday (July 13), who wrote on Facebook, “Our brother David Kaffinetti passed away peacefully in his sleep yesterday. We are devastated by this event. David always had a kind word and a quick wit that would slay you where you stand. Then he’d make you smile doing it! RIP dear brother.”

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Kaff was born David Kaffinetti on April 17, 1946 in the coastal town of Folkenstone in Kent, England and studied classical piano as a child before pivoting to rock in his teens and co-founding the prog rock group Rare Bird. The band was signed to former journalist Tony Stratton Smith’s Charisma Records — home to Genesis, Peter Gabriel, prog legends Hawkwind and the comedy troupe Monty Python — and released five albums on the label between 1969 and 1974, scoring one U.K. singles chart hit with 1970’s moody “Sympathy.”

Though he started out as a serious musician, Kaff made his biggest mark in director Rob Reiner’s beloved send-up of rock pomposity.

Appearing in the satirical film alongside stars and co-writers Christopher Guest, Michael McKean and Harry Shearer, Kaff played dopey keyboardist Viv Savage, whose most memorable line comes in the movie’s credits when director Marty DiBergi (Reiner) asks for his philosophy of life. “Have a good time… all the time,” Savage says with a crooked smile of his party-all-the-time credo.

Despite his limited screen time, Kaff got off a number of pithy one-liners in the film that gave fans such iconic bits as an amp that “goes to 11” and the announcement that Tap’s drummer died in a “bizarre gardening accident.” Among them is a scene when the band is billed beneath a puppet act at an amusement park and guitarist David St. Hubins (McKean) asks if Viv can play bandmate Nigel Tufnel’s (Guest) bass line from the group’s legendary triple-bass hit “Big Bottom,” the keyboardist deadpans, “yeah, I got two hands, yeah, I can do it.”

Though according to Rolling Stone, Kaff is not expected to appear in the upcoming sequel, Spinal Tap II: The End Continues (Sept. 12), he continued his Tap association over the years by appearing with the group on Saturday Night Live in 1984 and filming a comedic 1990 PSA for the hearing loss group H.E.A.R. (Hearing Education Awareness for Rockers). “Viv Savage of the band Spinal Tap speaks out on hearing loss,” a voiceover says, as Kaff’s Savage cluelessly asks, “what?”

In an 1991 interview with BAM, Kaff said, “I have a great affection for Viv… I played him very close to my heart… just a little dimmer. If people like that character, chances are they’ll like me.” Noting how much fans loved his character, he said they would often write him letters addressed to Viv.

He also described joining the short-lived supergroup Natural Gas with Badfinger guitarist Joey Molland and Humble Pie drummer Jerry Shirley and moving to California before getting fired just after the band completed the demo tape that landed them a record deal. He later played piano on Chuck Berry’s 1972 The London Chuck Berry Sessions and wrote songs with the British group Marillion before joining the Oakland rock band Model Citizenz in the 1990s.

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“I want to run free when I chose it, play the wrong chord, say something stupid,” Soulwax declares on its latest single “Run Free,” released July 9.

It’s a yearning for a kind of behavioral looseness rarely witnessed and barely tolerated in this meticulously curated modern moment, an era the group thoroughly explores on their forthcoming album, All Systems Are Lying. The title effectively sums up the notions of paranoia and social fracture — and the freedoms that might be their alternative — explored throughout the 14-track project.

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All Systems Are Lying — the first studio album in seven years from Soulwax, the longstanding and perpetually cool electronic band lead by Belgian brothers David and Stephen Dewaele — is coming October 17 via Because Music and the band’s own longstanding label, DEWEE. Emanating from an impeccably designed studio in Ghent, Belgium, DEWEE releases music that’s either written, recorded or mixed (or a combination of all three) in the building by the Dewaeles. DEWEE has released music by artists including Charlotte Adigéry and Marie Davidson, with Soulwax earning a 2020 best remixed recording Grammy nomination for their indelible edit of Davidson’s “Work It.”

Between putting their fingerprints on every label release, making their own music and touring as both Soulwax and their lauded dancefloor selector project 2manyDJs, it’s not shocking that the brothers often find themselves in a struggle against time itself. (Along with LCD Soundsystem’s James Murphy, the pair are also behind Despacio, the beloved roving sound system/pop-up club space that’s been a regular at festivals including Coachella, III Points and Sonar and which will make it’s next U.S. appearance in September at San Francisco’s Portola, where 2manyDJs are also playing.)

But while whizzing across the world on a recent high-speed train ride, Soulwax found time to reflect on the new album, its lead singles (“Run Free” was released in tandem with the album’s spare, glitchy title track) and something Tiësto once told them, in this joint interview.

1. Where are you in the world right now, and what’s the setting like?

We’re on the Eurostar to London.

2. What is the first album or piece of music you bought for yourself, and what was the medium?

Stephen: Axe Attack, a “hard rock” compilation in 1980. Just to give a bit of context, our dad was a DJ on national radio in Belgium, and famously one of the first to introduce rock music back in the late ’60s, and our mom was the one helping him select the records. So even though our house was filled with whatever was happening in 1980 at the time, probably Blondie, Bowie, Talking Heads, etc., I used my savings as a 10-year-old to purchase this particular record, which contained the kind of stuff our dad would not necessarily get and gave me the feeling I had my own thing going on. Motörhead and AC/DC in particular were the artists that spoke to me on this record.

David: I was 8-years-old, it was the 12” for a track called “Rat Rapping” by Roland Rat Superstar. Roland Rat was a British Saturday morning children’s television puppet character, who was brash and loud, and I remember liking the fact that adults seemed to think he was cheeky and funny. The record contains the extended remix, which in 1983 was quite the thing.

3. What did your parents do for a living when you were kids, and what do, or did, they think of what you do for a living now?

Explained this above, and they are currently both into what their sons are up to, perhaps our mom a bit more.

4. What is the first non-gear thing you bought for yourselves when you started making money as artists?

Probably a horrible Bose 5:1 surround sound system. Seemed fancy at the time.

5.  If you had to recommend one album for someone looking to get into electronic music, what album would you give them?

You’d be hard-pressed to find a record these days that isn’t electronic, in that it is made in the same way as dance music. So in a sense everything is “electronic music” nowadays, even the band stuff. If one were to find a luddite who had only heard banjo music to this point in their life for example, we’d probably recommend starting with Kraftwerk’s Man Machine perhaps? But we’d recommend that person to maybe also check out The Beatles.

6. What’s the last song you each listened to?

David: “Dirty Back Road” by The B-52’s.

Stephen: “Sparkles, Crystals, Miracles” by James Holden & Waclaw Zimpel.

7. What’s the philosophy behind All Systems Are Lying, how did it come to be and how does it reflect your current states of mind?

Quite a bit of our time and energy goes into helping other people out with their songs, or producing  or remixing or scoring, and our job then is usually to facilitate someone else’s vision, and we tend to use the part of our brain that is there to solve a problem.

That can be very rewarding and is by no means less creative — but when we set out to make this album, we wanted to work a lot more on a subconscious level and let spontaneity guide us. Towards the end of the process we realized that so many of the lyrics we had come up with had a certain dystopian feel to them, and “all systems are lying” isn’t necessarily both us saying that that is the case, but more a reflection of the time we live in.

There seems to be a general feeling of distrust towards the very systems that are in place in our society to keep it all together, which can easily lead to people not believing in any of them anymore. The greatest human achievements happen when we all believe in the same thing, and right now it seems like almost everyone is questioning something, if not everything.

8. When you say “I want to run free with the music” on the new single “Run Free,” what do you mean?

Similar to the previous answer, it expresses a need to be less cerebral or more intuitive when it comes to music. It’s probably a reaction to how frustratingly rigid and formulaic so much music, and everything that surrounds it, has become.

9. If all systems are lying, how do you know what to believe in? What do you believe in for sure?

That the weather in Belgium will suck.

10. Do you ever feel disillusioned with technology, and if so, how do you balance that feeling with the fact that the use of technology is necessary for you to make music?

A large part of our studio time is being spent trying to push machines that are so old or slightly broken to do what we want them to, and they rarely comply. So you can imagine how frustration with technology is just part of our every day life.

11. What does success for All Systems Are Lying look like to you?

It finally coming out after having finished it in January. Honestly with the amount of music that is being released on a daily basis, just getting people to be aware of its existence seems like a victory these days.

12. Given that you both work on every DEEWEE release, how do you decide which projects to take on and what to devote your precious, and I’m assuming limited, time to?

It’s a constant struggle. The artists on DEEWEE are friends first and foremost, so we find ourselves spinning plates all the time while sometimes having to prioritize other projects, which sucks if they are your friends! On a good day it’s the best, and when we are stressed for time, it can be the worst.

13. How connected do you feel to the American electronic scene, and what parts of America are most exciting/interesting for you to play in?

Not sure if there is a specific “American” scene to be connected to right now as everything is so splintered culturally, but other than the obvious DFA connection, our dear friend Dave P in Philadelphia runs a festival called Making Time, and it’s truly inspiring to see that become successful, because he put his whole heart into it.

14. Is there any wariness of playing the U.S., given the current political situation?

We’re always happy to come and play in the US, as long as we are allowed in.

15. What are the proudest moments of your career thus far?

Losing a Grammy twice.

16. What are you currently finding most challenging?

We’re in a constant race against time. And we’re losing badly.

17. What’s the most exciting thing happening in electronic music, currently?

Anything Quinn Whalley touches, basically.

18. What’s the best business decision you’ve ever made?

Not sure if we’ve ever made a good one.

19. Who’s been your greatest mentor and what’s the best advice they ever gave you?

We once met Tiësto, and he told us we should move our company to the Cayman Islands for tax reasons. We never did, so it kind of answers the previous question as well.

20. What’s one piece of advice you’d give your younger selves?

Put out more music. For everything we end up releasing, we’ve probably thrown away three things that lead up to it. We can’t change the way we are in that respect, but sometimes we stumble on something we buried and realize it’s pretty good.